crying at nap time etc - ** Can I ask another Q re todays nap please? **

[em_here]

Ok, sooooooooo dd is 23 months now    OMg that just took my breath away!!!

Routine has been this for a while

wake 7am
nap 12-1:30
Bed 7pm

She has been poorly granted..... nasty cough and cold, but when she was poorly she slept BETTER as she needed it, so good naps and night sleep etc

Now she doesnt want her nap as much, and really battles it, sometimes she is ok, but a lot of the time she isnt.  When she does sleep she sleeps for an hr and wakes SCREAMING 

At night, she goes to bed, and HOWLS unless we leave the landing light on, she is petrified of the dark, thats cool, I never liked it as a child either, but she flipped around/cried/chatted until 8pm, and then woke again at 8:30, and screamed, this will prob happen again, she generally settles after 10pm.  She is awake AGAIN now, I can hear her cooing. When I went up earlier, she was trying to choke herself with the dummy shoving it backward down her throat 

Im tired, shes tired, and why o why does she settle FINE from 10pm onward

Only thing I can think of is that she has always been MPI and we have introduced hidden dairy and cheese and yoghurts, but not whole milk.  Her bowel movements have been fine, no rashes no nothing, so am reluctant to blame it, as the sleep is poor but sometimes just cooing not screaming, and other times screaming

I ignore her until the cry escalates when I go in, say its night time, and walk out, thats all I do and repeat and repeat 

I know the landing light on doesnt help, as it promotes wake up time, but without it on she screams until she is nearly sick!

Is the nap stopping her from having a good nights sleep?  As I said she doesnt have a long one now anyway as she wakes screaming, what is with that? In my book it usually means OT

Ugh, this is so muddled, just want to sort it, as dont often have problems with her sleep, shes just a proper madam in the day 

Thanks anyone who can look over this with a fresh pair of eyes and see where Im going wrong. ta xxxx

[speechie]

Hello Sweetie- Don't know what to say, but just dropping off a hug.
Do you think she's OT or UT in your gut feelings?
Any SA lately?
Molars? Tried pain meds?
The mould?
I dunno, they can be sweetly exasperating at bedtime...

[meltown]

it was about this time that we had to move the nap later by 30 min.  so I would try that first and see how it goes. 

[em_here]

Thanks Cathie sweetie, think Im at a loss atm!!!! Cant figure anything out!!

She has woke up and is really really snotty again........

Shall i still shift the nap by 1/2 hr and wake her at 1:30?  So its a one hr nap?

Should I bother with trying to sort it now shes all snotty AGAIN?

Thanks again ladies xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[knackered]

Hi Emma - as pp said, shift nap half an hour later, but I reckon you should let her sleep for her usual 1 1/2 hrs - it sounds like she's OT at bed time.

xx

[Aly Mac]

i would also add a slightly earlier  bedtime - sounds like OT> it started here the last month or so too Emma, and I had to jiggle the nap and bedtime around. 

hope that helps!

ps> i know it sounds odd, but I just found that i had to get the right A time before and after nap to get her happy. OUr routine is this now if that helps (we are a little earlier wakeup, but bedtime is the same)

6/6.30 wake
12 in cot - asleep normally by 12.30 - 2 (I wake her unless we had nw or if she really needed it
6.30 start getting into bed - asleep by 7

i just find that if you start earlier she might be asleep by tthe time she needs to be - kwim? she just sound OT to me. plus could be molars and SA (lil has both!!!)

hugs hunx

[LisaM]

I would also try for earlier bedtime - we have had this going on for a while although dd is quite happy in bed but she has been chatting, singing etc for up to an hour at times!  Therefore, we started putting her to bed extra early so at least when she finally went off to sleep it wouldn't be really, really late.  Also, would let her sleep at naptime rather than wake after an hour, hopefully if she gets back on track quickly won't get too OT.

Good luck

PS - DD seems to have (will jinx myself now) stopped taking forever to go off at night, the last few nights she has gone off really quickly for her so perhaps was just a phase - my other daughter also did that for a while around the same age.

[meltown]

all the PP said what I was going to.  so yes, start nap later and let her sleep the normal time.  then play a bit with bedtime.  eventually we had to push bedtime back a little but I think that happened a bit after we moved the nap to later.

[Fiona (Leah & Kians Mom)]

At this age we did 1 to 2.30 nap and 7.30 bed time, nap had previoulsy been 12.30 but dd seemed to be able to handle more am A time especially after a long nights sleep. By about 2 year 2 or 3 months we had shorten the nap, it was taking her half an hour to sleep so bed at one, sleep at 1.30, woke her at 2.30 and bed for 7.30. I didnt want bedtime to go later and after a while at that routine it started to take her longer to fall asleep at night, slow coaster ride to 1 nap.

[em_here]

Hi and thanks! I did 12:30 nap and she woke at 1:40pm, woke a couple times throughout too

Put her down at half six, she stopped crying 10 mins ago, so thats all good!!!!

Thank you so so much! She really doesnt seem too well today, and has dark shadows under her eyes, she needs sleep to end this 5 week infection, shes finished her anti bios now and isnt better, just need her to have more rest

Thanks so much! Am so glad I pout her down early, so thank you for suggesting it, couldnt think straight to work it out! you guys are GREAT! xxxxxxxxxxxxx

[meltown]

if she keep having troubles with the nap, you may try a 12:15 nap and se if she sleeps any longer or if it makes a difference. 

Glad she went down better tonight.  let us know how she does through the night.

[em_here]

Thank you will do

I have 2 sleeping kiddos now, fingers crossed it lasts long enough for me to watch corrie..... lol:D

[em_here]

Hi ladies,

dd slept well until 10 then woke up very distressed, went slightly blue around the lips and had a coughing fit which relieved the blueness. Took her docs of course, shes already had anti bios so the docs said nothing bacterial can be going on, and that she has a virus and laryngitis.  We got her home into bed for 12am, and she slept until 3am, and then woke upset, then woke at 6:30 and thats been it pretty much, whereas shed been waking at 7am before.  Should I still do like 12:15pm nap? Or do it earlier? i know shes not well, so I soooooo want her to have good quality sleep cause she looks pretty rough

Thank you! xxxxxx

[Aly Mac]

Emma i would really watch her cues at the mo. i mean with that much broken sleep and being sick, her patterns won't be 'normal'.  if she seems sleepy i would let her sleep.

hope all goes well
xx

[jess, lukeys_mom]

Em just saw this but I agree, if she is really OT today can you put her down for a morning catnap and then do a later afternoon nap?  Luke is the same age and I have done this on accasion in the last 2 months when he's not been well. So 9.30ish short nap, then up and back to bed around 2. it has not affected his bedtime, the am nap has been catching up on sleep.  You know Abbi though so you will have to decide if you think a nap will help or hurt her other nap. Good luck with today xxx