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Baby crying loudly
« on: February 18, 2009, 03:24:11 am »
I am not sure where this topic belongs.  I posted in breastfeeding before and got some good responses.  I am not sure if this is related or not.  The bfeeding is going okay and I am now able to get some extra milk put away.  Perhaps he had a growth spurt and needed more milk.  My new problem is crying.  I know all babies cry and there are different philosophies on cry it out or pick them up.  Several times i have put my little one in the crib (this happens mostly in the evening) and after some time he will just start screaming.  I pick him up, check the necessary items and walk with him.... He does not quit. No matter what i do I cannot get him to stop. I have tried warm washclothes on tummy, massaging slightly, rocking, walking, jogging, but he will not stop.  After some mylicon and a good BM he quiets down.  So, my assessment is he must have some major gas.  Is this something he just has to cry until it moves out of his system?  Any suggestions as to what I can do to lessen this and also maintain my sanity.  I have heard that you can put him down and walk out of the room for a few minutes to "gather yourself".  Any help will be appreciated.  He is pretty good throughout the day... so I don't think it is a colicky problem, but what do I know.. I have only been a mother for 5 weeks.  :)

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Re: Baby crying loudly
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2009, 16:10:17 pm »
Awwww sweetie.  :'( for the screaming and :-* for bringing in a wonderful new bright light into this world. Congratulations!!

The crying is a killer. My DS cried for 7 weeks, and not in a soft bleating way either. I think it is common for new babies to have screaming time in the evening, but I don't know or understand the cause. So I'm not much help there. But, some ideas to rule things out.

Wind: If you think it could be wind or gas, then the more crying the more intense it may feel for your LO. There are a number of different winding positions that you could try - sometimes it's hard to get it out using any though. I used to lay my boy across my lap so that his chest belly was in the gap between my legs and would gently rub his back in circular motions then stroke his back with a little pressure upwards (to move the gas up). But it was a hit and miss. Another fave was to sit him on my knee and gently twist his upper body as if he were looking over his shoulder.

Despite our winding attempts, I did eventually try some other things: a cranial osteopath, who released the tension in his diaphragm over 2 visits AND started giving him Infacol before each feed. Infacol somehow magically takes all the little gas bubbles and sticks them together so that they become bigger bubbles and therefore easier to free. After using infacol we got some big old burps regularly. Not sure if it was our DS passing the 6 week settling mark, or the osteopath or the infacol...but the crying subsided a lot. Another thing I did was to make sure that my LO finished one breast before moving on to the next (at the next feed). This was simply because I'd heard that the crying could've been too more foremilk and not enough hindmilk, leaving him more gassy and hungry. I try to think of fore and hind as drink and food, IFYKWIM.

Hunger: The other thing that comes to mind is that perhaps (if this has just happened for a day or so) could be signs that he's not satisfied with his feeds so far that day - usually milk dips off towards the end of the day - so could potentially be hunger. So to rule that out you could try seeing how gusto he is with feeds.  Also coming up to the 6 week growth spurt...

Overtired / over stimulated: Another possibility is OT / OS from the activities during the day...how is sleep going? getting plenty, easy to settle during the day? Activities, toys, mobiles, bedtime routine could all affect this. Are you on EASY, how are your days looking overall and what is bedtime / evening like? Wht happens?

Philosophies & Camps: Yeh, you're right there are lots of approaches out there but as you've come to Baby Whisperer I'm guessing that CIO isn't for you. There's lots of information on here (can get it for you if you want) on why CIO is not a good choice. At this young age I can't highlight enough how hard choosing that approach would be for you and your LO. There are less upsetting and less severe alternatives we can help you with. I found that the people who advised me to leave my newborn to CIO, were people who had never done it to their own children. Babes cry because it's the only way they can tell you something is wrong. And they need you to listen, however painful and hard it is to bear; you'd struggle with ignoring their pleas and cries for your help. At 5 weeks old... well, he's crying / screaming for your help. Walking away as CIO is a harsh message for him or anyone.

Gather yourself: Yes absolutely, if you feel like you just cannot take the screaming for another minute, second; that you are losing it; that you are crumbling... then put him down, put on some background music (I'd swaddle) and leave the room for a few minutes. To regain your control and to find the calmness that you need to pretend that you have. And that is not easy to do. I still struggle with it now...often find myself hugging my LO tightly while he screams at me desparately trying to hang onto a shred of patience.

So walk out, take a minute or 5, clear your mind and then go back. Be calm, be Mama, be who you were when he was on the inside and wasn't balling at you. It's hard. But it will get so much better. Especially after week 6 / 7. Honest.  :-* And once the screaming unsettled stage passes, like me, you'll be so relieved you didn't go for CIO.  ;)

Last question for you: how are you settling him down and is there anything that is different at night (other than the obvious)? Just wondering if it's an environment thing, or whether swaddling and shh patt might help...

Let us know; tell us about your boy. There are loads of Mamas here ready to help you anyway that they can. You're doing great. He's only had 5 weeks and it's all so new to him. And you have only had 5 weeks to find your feet at being a Mama... I was still so so lost at 5 weeks.

Let us help?  :-*

Charlotte


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Re: Baby crying loudly
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 00:18:50 am »
{{hugs}}  I remember running to the bookstore one morning when my lo was 5 weeks old because I thought I was going insane and needed to try SOMETHING to stop the crying!  That's when I started swaddling and baby wearing. Both helped enormously.  In fact, with my second child, she spent all evening in a sling with me walking around with her - that's until we diagnosed and treated the reflux.

Charlotte's right - this is a particularly rough age - there's the huge growth spurt at around 6 weeks too, and then things often turn around.  What's the rest of his day like?
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2009, 17:02:25 pm »
Did some trawling for some more info to help you eliminate what's not causing the crying etc and to put your mind at rest a little:
 * http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64627.0
 * http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=141660.0
 * http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=63243.0 (see common complaints & note for BF Mums)

HTH & remember, you are doing a really great job.  :)

Charlotte
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Re: Baby crying loudly
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2009, 04:16:47 am »
Hi, my DD is 6 weeks going on 7 weeks.  She also has crying bouts in the evenings that last between 10 minutes to 1.5 hours.  Similar to what you've written, she has been fed, changed and still cries at the top of her lungs (and her crying is really loud!).  Nothing seems to help, holding her upright, cradling her, rocking her, walking her, etc. 

We think it's gas as well.  She also strains and grunts when she wants to release gas or poo.  Sometimes she even lets out a cry when she does this, it's like she's in pain! Until I wonder if it's possible for a breastfed baby to have constipation?  Up to now, I also didn't think that a breastfed baby could have gas/wind!

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Re: Baby crying loudly
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2009, 14:36:18 pm »
True constipation is very rare in BF babies - they can go days without pooping and that is normal as BM is just so digestable. Some babies do make a bit of a fuss going to the toilet but often that is because they don't like the sensation as it is new to them. They are constipated if when they do go it is hard and like pellets. If you don't manage to get the wind out the top end it can pass into the lower intestines and still cause pain there, and result in some bottom wind and explosive poos.

BF babies certainly do get wind! My ds is 6 months now and I am still winding him and stroking his tummy. He was ebf until 1 week ago.

I second what Charlotte said, infacol is useful to help you get it out.

If the crying is starting lying flat have you considered reflux?

It will get better - 6 weeks was not the magic turning point for me - it was more like 10 weeks. I got to know my baby, recoginse what he was telling me, and as the bond grew felt much more empathy for the pain I know he is in. The crying is so hard though, but when there is nothing else you can do just sit down and let them cry in your arms. Your baby knows you are there and sometimes all the fiddling etc makes a tired baby worse.

And ask someone else to help sometimes.

Sending you lots of hugs - and remember it will definately get better :-*

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2009, 22:36:07 pm »
Your baby knows you are there and sometimes all the fiddling etc makes a tired baby worse.

Doh!! I forgot all about this. In those early hell weeks (months), I found that doing one thing and sticking with it would usually pay off. So rather than jig for a bit, jiggle, bounce, sing, rock and move around all the time, I would try to just stick to one thing for 30 mins. For example, I would hum a song (baa black sheep or Sentimental Journey) while I rocked my weight (not him) from one side to the other really really slowly (like a big tree in the wind), I would nestle my head (cheek) against his head, kiss occasionally, keep my hand on his back and really swaddle him with my arms. 2 songs I cannot stand now because I hummed them so often, over and over and over, for so long. In the dark, in the quiet. Usually worked. Depeche Mode's Personal Jesus did not work.  ;)

DH did the same with Swing Low or they'd look at the light reflections through a window. For ages.