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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2009, 08:52:40 am »
My suspicion is not that he's getting too much day sleep but that his morning A time is way too long. I think my fella was the same - he got used to the nap times - but eventhough he didn't look it - he was majorly OT. It's a really difficult situation when daycare has such set nap times. What I was suggesting at the weekend was that you put him down for his 1 nap much earlier. So you put him down at 11.30 ish and just let him sleep as long as he wants. Do you think he'd sleep for 2+ hours at that time?  Hopefully he would - so he'd wake at 2 ish and then you could have him in bed no later than 7. It might help him catch up at the weekends?

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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2009, 09:18:07 am »
Yes, I think this could be a solution, also to evaluate the possibility that that could be the problem, I mean OT after that long A time.

I will give it a try during next weekend.

And you are right. Most of the times OT doesn't show immediately and clearly and you don't recognize it until you make changes in the routine....

Did you solve the problem with DS1? At what age? How old is he now?

I am just wondering...am I too persistent? Too determined?
I just want him to sleep better and a sufficient amount of hours....
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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2009, 09:32:56 am »
I'm sorry to say I didn't solve it until I took him out of daycare - even then it took a good while before he was caught up on sleep. He's now 3.5 and still has tendencies to wake early - but it's usually much nearer to 7 now.

And you're absolutely right to be trying to get him to sleep better. For you and for him!

Good luck and let us know how it goes on the weekend.

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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2009, 09:44:53 am »
Don't be sorry...I think I already knew the answer...
And I know he will always be a early bird...but 7 would be really great!!!!! I hope I could reach that goal too.

…maybe we just have to wait for him to grow up a little more....in this period he is reaching so many milestones and has so many stimulus….

Anyway, thanks for the support and big advices... :)
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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2009, 09:06:32 am »
Wow!
I don't believe we survived the weekend....
Was really horrible.

I don't know what is happening...maybe he's teething again, but sleep was a nightmare!
By now all molars came in, but maybe we are already starting with the second molars or the canine teeth...

Anyway, here is our weekend:

FRIDAY
(5.30 am Wake up)
Nursery school: nap 1-3.30

7.30 pm asleep in bed (took more than 30 minutes to fall asleep)
9.30 pm NW
11.30 pm NW
4.30 am NW
5.15 Wake up

SATURDAY
10-10.30 am Fell asleep in car on our way to supermarket and napped for something more than half a hour
2-2.30 pm nap (couldn't succeed in putting him to bed earlier, totally refused)

19.30 asleep in bed (took more than 30 minutes to fall asleep)
10 pm NW
1.15 am NW
3 am NW
3.30 am NW
4 am NW
4.30 am NW
5 am NW
6 am Wake up (7 NW!!!)

SUNDAY
11.30-12.30 am Nap after swimming pool in car on our way to MIL (she woke him up!!!)

Refuses to nap in the afternoon

19.15 pm asleep (fell asleep immediately, was exhausted)
11.30 pm NW
4 am NW
5 am NW
5.30 am Wake up

 ???  ???  ???



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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2009, 16:42:54 pm »
All those NWs would indicate OT to me - and if he's so exhausted he's just falling asleep in the car, that's probably exactly what's happening.  Have you tried an earlier bedtime?  Going from 5:30 - 7:30 is a pretty long day.  If he falls asleep in the morning, I would definitely limit it to 30 min and try for an afternoon nap - otherwise if he sleeps long in the am, I suspect the pm nap will be a no-go and then you'll have even more OT by bedtime, and more NWs.  {{{{{{hugs}}}}}
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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2009, 09:32:50 am »
I think you are so right...

I will try to have him asleep by 7 (not easy for our everyday life, need to change a bit routines and timetables).
The only concern I have is about his schedule during the week.
He stays at DC till 4-4.30 pm.
He naps 1-3 pm or 1-3.30 pm every day and have a snack at 3.30. Is it too late (i mean 3.30 for waking up)?

I will try to give him dinner at around 6 pm (hope is not too early...) and consequently will try to anticipate a little more all our bedtime routine (bath, pijamas, book, milk and lullaby) in order to put him to bed at around 6.40-6.45 and give him some time to fall asleep on his own by 7. Do you think this could fit?

Sorry if I wasn't really clear, but I am a bit tired.... :(

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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2009, 10:19:57 am »
I agree an earlier bedtime would definitely help - particularly on week days when he's had that long stretch before his nap.

I know it's hard but at the weekend I think you need to try to bring his nap earlier and let him sleep as long as he likes. So that does probably mean rearranging what you do on the weekend so that you're not in the car in the morning. You're aiming for a 13 hour day with 5.5 hours A time. So if he wakes at 5.15, he's asleep for his nap no later than 10.45 - 11. Then let him sleep as long as he wants. Hopefully he'd do his 2.5 hours nap which would mean he's wake at 1.15 ish. Then have him bed at 6.30pm.

This will really help with OT - and would I suspect get rid of the NW. It won't fix the EW straight away however. That's a tough one - especially because of the late nap they do at DC. But getting rid of the NW would be a start right???

Do you think you could do a bedtime earlier than 7 - weekdays as well as weekends?

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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2009, 11:19:06 am »
Now, getting rid of NW would be really more than just a start, would be really great!!!!!

Yes, I think I could do a 6.30 bedtime, but I don't know if he will be hungry before 6 and if he will fall asleep easily that early, especially weekdays (should be easier at weekends).
But maybe it will be just a matter of time as he takes this new schedule little by little.
And I could move bath to the morning, so we could save those 10-15 minutes and could do everything more relaxed and have him in bed at 6.30. Besides, I am not sure bath is always really relaxing....

What do you think?
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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2009, 11:23:49 am »
I think give it a go. My mistake when I was having the same probs with my DS was that I thought because he hadn't woken up from his nap til 3 that 6.30 would be too early for him to go to bed - I was still counting 5 hours from the end of the nap. But I think what's more important than A time is that the whole day is not more than 13 ish hours....

Let me know how you get on.
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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2009, 11:25:16 am »
Ok!
Thanks!!
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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2009, 06:21:28 am »
A doubt about WI/WO.
When I put him to bed and leave the room he usually doesn't cry, but once or twice calls for mummy. Up to now, every time he called, I did go to him, put him back down, gave him a little reassurance and walked out.
The same happens when he wakes up in the early morning.
Do I go right? Or should I leave him alone, unless he cries?
Things are evolving and now he uses language a lot and often calls for mommy or daddy...and I have a little confusion on this...

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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2009, 18:57:45 pm »
yes, if he's not crying, you leave him.  wi/wo is a bit like pu/pd in that respect, only it's for older bubs.  With Abby, I don't go in unless she's crying - usually if she's calling for me, it's just because she doesn't want to go to sleep.  If she asks for something (like a drink or potty etc.), I'll go in, give her what she's asked for and then say "ok, now it's time for night night, mommy will see you when you wake up" and usually that does it.  If she continues to call for me, I might say through the door "it's time for night night" but not go in.
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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2009, 08:34:46 am »
Michelle,
thanks for the tip. I was not really sure.

What a weekend!
I was so determined to get rid of NW and most of all of OT, but everything and everybody were against my plan!!!!
First of all, he's teething again, canine teeth are coming in, very aching.
Then our weekend schedule was so full...too busy...and so hot...... :(
On friday afternoon we had a party at DC. Was really nice ad DS had a lot of fun, but he was really tired and what with one thing and another he went to bed at 9 pm!! Woke up several times due to teething and OT and was up at 5.45. Napped 9.30-11 and then napped again 4.30-5.30. At night we had dinner with some friends and he refused to sleep until 11 pm!!! :o
Then woke up twice and was up at 6.30. But, as we realized everybody in the house was exhausted (dog and cat included) we took him to bed with us and slept til 8.00 (kind of miracle for us).
Sunday was calm and relaxing and he was asleep by 7.30 pm, woke up just twice and slept till 7 am!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Anna and Michelle, now I am sure: you both were right. OT IS THE KEY HERE! (but these days teething is to be taken into consideration too). Yesterday he had an 11,5 hours day instead of the usual 13-15 hours, A time never exceeded 5 hours and things really improved.

I know maybe I went wrong taking him to bed with us sunday morning, but we all needed some rest and, considering how the day went on, I think we did the right thing at that moment.

Hope last night was not an isolated episode.....

I'll wait comments...  ;)

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Re: Will he ever sleep better??? Or should I give in???
« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2009, 18:45:41 pm »
do you give him meds for teething?  One night in your bed shouldn't undo all you've done as long as you're consistent afterwards.  We've all been there! 
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