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MANY complicated sleep questions; looking for help, please!
« on: April 30, 2009, 01:29:51 am »
We have always rocked our 6 1/2 month old to sleep and are trying to now get him to be able to go down for naps and bedtime on his own. I read most of the Baby Whisperer Solves Problems book but still have so many questions! (Maybe I should mention he is our first baby:) If anyone can help, it would be MOST appreciated!

My questions are: (1) Is it normal for babies to wake up and then continue to yawn and rub their eyes for a little while afterwards (as if they are still waking up, sort of like adults) or is my son possibly waking too early/not sleeping long enough through the night? I feel knowing whether he needs to be put right back to sleep or allowed to stay up is key to the rest of the day's success, so every time he does this I start my day totally confused as to what to do. He usually gets up between 5-6 am and it doesn't seem to matter what time he went to bed or if he woke up once in the night to eat or not. Occasionally he will sleep a little later, but it hardly ever is an 11 or 12 hour night. I don't know if he is just a baby who will never sleep 11 or 12 hours (which is fine with me if he doesn't need it) or if he simply is not getting enough sleep. If it's that he's not sleeping long enough...do I try the wake-to-sleep technique or what?

(2) Because he is over 6 months old and we just started this a few days ago, yet we have tried a modified cry it out method in the recent past and had always rocked him to sleep prior to that, I am confused as to whether I put him in his crib and leave right away if he's calm and just come back if/when he fusses/cries, or do I automatically just stay in there until he falls asleep to teach him to trust me? Typically he is calm for a few minutes, looking around, rolling, grabbing his feet, etc. Then after a few minutes he begins to fuss. Along these lines I'm not sure if PU/PD is best (given his age and the fact that we had tried a modified cry it out before) or if the shush/pat is better. I know the shush/pat isn't recommended for his age but we have always quietly shushed before and so it is not distracting to him like the book mentions. Also, often he really fights us having our hands on his back and resists being on his side. It seems to distract/agitate him more. Plus the picking up and putting back down seems to distract him. Sometimes he allows us to rest our hands on his chest, other times he pushes our hands away. When he is like this, is it better if I stand near him but don't touch him, sit on a chair across the room (but still in sight) or what? I don't want to further irritate him but also feel I'm not really following the method if I don't try to physically calm him. He seems to like when I run my fingers through his hair at these times though. I wonder if that could substitute?

(3) If it takes so long to get him to sleep that he needs to eat again, do I feed him and immediately try to get him to sleep or try to keep him up for a half hour then try putting him down again? I was a little confused about what the book was saying about this.

(4) The book always says to pick him up when he cries, comfort when he cries, etc. My son rarely cries during any of this. He more "fusses" to lesser and greater degrees. Should I just treat the fussing as crying or only do the recommended things strictly if/when he actually cries?

(5) For a 6 month old, should he be taking 2 or 3 naps and how long should they typically be? Many times he will nap for 45 minutes. This seems too short based on what I read in the book, but he usually wakes up happy so do I just keep him up?

I truly, truly appreciate anyone who takes the time to read this and can offer help! We absolutely refuse to do a cry it out or even a modified version again. But we seem to really need help to get this method off to a good start. I don't even know what else we'd do if this doesn't work... in advance, thanks soo much for your time and help!



   

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Re: MANY complicated sleep questions; looking for help, please!
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2009, 19:44:58 pm »
Hi there,

Welcome to the BW boards  ;)

I will try to answer your questions as best I can:

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(1) Is it normal for babies to wake up and then continue to yawn and rub their eyes for a little while afterwards (as if they are still waking up, sort of like adults) or is my son possibly waking too early/not sleeping long enough through the night?

My ds often does this. So based on our two sets of kids, I guess it's normal  :D  Does he seem happy when he wakes up? Sometimes I gage it on nap length. A 45 minute nap is often not refreshing, for example,whereas 1.5-2 hours is, even if he still yawns.

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(2) Because he is over 6 months old and we just started this a few days ago, yet we have tried a modified cry it out method in the recent past and had always rocked him to sleep prior to that, I am confused as to whether I put him in his crib and leave right away if he's calm and just come back if/when he fusses/cries, or do I automatically just stay in there until he falls asleep to teach him to trust me?
If shushing and patting is working for you, I would go that route. PU/PD is for when you are not able to shush and pat anymore. Maybe you can shush/pat in your arms until he's calm, then put in his bed and gradually help him relax such as your fingers in his hair. I don't see the harm in that. You do not have to be so strict with it, especially in the beginning, and especially if you don't mind. The idea is that you want to gradually wean away your help so that eventually he falls asleep without your assistance. I would think though that at the beginning, when he is used to other methods and you also did controlled crying, that he needs your help to start off with.

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(3) If it takes so long to get him to sleep that he needs to eat again, do I feed him and immediately try to get him to sleep or try to keep him up for a half hour then try putting him down again? I was a little confused about what the book was saying about this.
Up to you - the idea is just not to feed him to sleep.

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(4) The book always says to pick him up when he cries, comfort when he cries, etc. My son rarely cries during any of this. He more "fusses" to lesser and greater degrees. Should I just treat the fussing as crying or only do the recommended things strictly if/when he actually cries?
Again - up to you. The book is general, but you know your ds best. If you feel like you can and should help him when he is fussing then go ahead, but keep in mind sometimes babies fuss and yelp a bit in an attempt to soothe and get themselves to sleep.

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(5) For a 6 month old, should he be taking 2 or 3 naps and how long should they typically be? Many times he will nap for 45 minutes. This seems too short based on what I read in the book, but he usually wakes up happy so do I just keep him up?
This varies sooo greatly per lo. 2 or 3 naps is normal at his age.  Most "average" (or probably more like the median, as it can differ so much) is 2 x 1.5 hour naps and a catnap of 45 min or so.

Hope this helps. Feel free to post the routine you're working with if you want me to take a look with you. x
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Re: MANY complicated sleep questions; looking for help, please!
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2009, 15:19:19 pm »
Thank you SOO very much for taking the time to read all that I wrote and answer my questions! Bless your heart!!!! I'm sure it took a little time, something all moms are always short on :) So I am new to this and have figured out what lo means, but what does ds mean?

As for everything else, it seems once I stopped following the book super strictly and modified it to what seemed to work better for my son, things have been going better. We seem to be getting into a little groove. At this point (5 days in) it can still take a long time to get him to fall asleep (it has ranged from 7 mins to 2 1/2 hours but usually takes about an hour). But, I am seeing progress with 1 aspect- there is a lot less crying/fussing now. He is pretty calm throughout with a few bursts of fussing so I think he is trusting we'll stay but is just working out for himself how to actually get to sleep. He seems to have found a self-soothing thing- he rubs his ears. When he does it he usually falls asleep quickly but he just doesn't always do it.

I think you're right, for my 1st question I will gauge it more by how happy he seems when he wakes up rather than strictly if he yawns a little orrubs his eyes. For my 3rd question, he really doesn't fall asleep eating so thanks for clarifiying that! I'm glad I don't need to wait 30 mins and start the process again. Since he stays awake throughout the feed I have just been putting him back down and going from there. Thanks for your info on #4. I have noticed that when he falls asleep in the car he fusses a little before passing out, so I have been trying to let him go when he makes similar noises in his crib when falling asleep. I guess that's like his version of the "mantra cry" the book mentions and it's different than fussing because he's scared/upset/agitated/etc. As for #6, thank you for that info as well! His naps vary a lot but I am starting to be able to tellif he is waking up early or just ready to be awake. Yesterday he took 3 naps, each 40-50 mins. I would have thought they weren't long enough, but he woke up completely pleasant from all of them! And also slept all night last night (11 hours) for the first time in a little while! So I guess they were enough for him.

I really do thank you so much for taking the time to share your info and thoughts with me! It has been helpful and encouraging! I am hopeful because I am seeing the whole falling asleep thing going much smoother and calmer. I guess my next challenge is trying to get it to take a lot less time. But I think as he gets better and better and getting himself to sleep, it will get shorter and shorter. Thank you again and have a great day!!!!

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Re: MANY complicated sleep questions; looking for help, please!
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2009, 23:54:04 pm »
Congratulations on the progress made so far ;D ;D
DS means Dear/Darling son.  Check this out - Site Acronyms/Abbreviations - What they are, and what they mean
This should help .
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