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So the GI doc asked us today to re-expose DS2 to milk proteins to see if he has outgrown his MPI.  I agree with this train of thought, but I'm just a bit lost as to what order to do things in.
The doc said to start with me drinking/eating milk products for 2 - 3 weeks and seeing what that does (I'm still BFing).
If there is no reaction to introduce milk products to DS2.
What order would you do things in?  Straight milk first? 'Processed' stuff like cheese/yoghurt first?
Ideas/hints?
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Re: Introducing milk to a (hopefully) 'recovering' MPI baby - how?
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2009, 04:31:44 am »
Hi! My ds has an MPI too. We had to take him to emergency after I gave him a "just add water" cereal because he got hives all over his face and hands! Turns out he was allergic to the milk powder :(
The paediatrician at the hospital said to keep away from all dairy until my ds is 1 yr old. At 1yr, he told us to do what he called a "poor man's scratch test". He said to run a fingernail along ds' arm to scratch it slightly (just enough to get a white line of roughed up skin, he shouldn't even really feel it) and put a few drops of milk on the scratch. If it welts up, wait a couple weeks and try again. I really like this idea because it gives us the opportunity to see if his allergy has calmed down before we give him any milk products orally.
Other than that, I'm curious about reintroduction myself! I would definitely like to know what others have tried!
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Re: Introducing milk to a (hopefully) 'recovering' MPI baby - how?
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2009, 12:46:39 pm »
When I did it I went from Neocate to straight cow's milk for him.  I was not breastfeeding though, so I'm not sure how to go on that route.  I suppose if you did yogurt and cheese first and he had no reaction you'd at least know that you could re-introduce those foods back into your diet without problem.  The only downside is you'd have to give that a try for a few weeks then add the milk to allow enough time in between for a reaction to show.  If you did straight milk first for you then you'd save time, but then you may wonder if you were able to have the cheese and yogurt.  I guess it just depends on how you want to proceed.

I went straight milk.  Once I knew that was fine I proceeded to give him yogurt and cheese without problems.  Depends on the route you want to go.  :)
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Re: Introducing milk to a (hopefully) 'recovering' MPI baby - how?
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2009, 13:10:48 pm »
The impression I got from the doc and the dietician was that I would "filter" some of the milk proteins out.  So that was why to start with me first and then DS2.

We've never had a flagrant allergic reaction, such as hives, so I'm not sure that the allergen test would work for us - but good info for others.

I think that you may be right Mel about going to straight milk first and saving time.  I know that cheese & yoghurt are tolerated better by some LO's with mild MPI and was just wondering if I should start there once I'm onto introducing things to him.
Hmm.  May have to ponder this some more.
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Re: Introducing milk to a (hopefully) 'recovering' MPI baby - how?
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2009, 16:42:37 pm »
You could try the milk straight first.  THEN if it doesn't work out, give it a couple of weeks and try the yogurt and cheese?  Another option perhaps.  :)  Let us know how it goes, I'm really curious to see how he'll fair.
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Re: Introducing milk to a (hopefully) 'recovering' MPI baby - how?
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2009, 19:38:13 pm »
Well, I had my first glass of milk in nearly 8 months this morning.  BF DS2 about 3 hours later, and so far no response.  So we'll see.
Will do the same again tomorrow and then increase my milk intake on Thursday.
I'm optimisitic about our chances of success.
 
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2009, 20:26:50 pm »
Good luck Deb, I hope it all works out and LO has outgrown the MPI - I know you've been through a rough ride with this and am keeping fingers and toes crossed for you and LO. 


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Re: Introducing milk to a (hopefully) 'recovering' MPI baby - how?
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2009, 21:00:49 pm »
Just wanted to say good luck!!! My dd is 2 and still mpi, can tolerate small amounts like butter on toast, any more and the runs start! Hope you have no reaction and it goes well for you, following along x
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2009, 17:00:22 pm »
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Re: Introducing milk to a (hopefully) 'recovering' MPI baby - how?
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2009, 17:34:47 pm »
Well, it's day 3 of milk back in my diet.  1 glass of milk every day so far and no obvious reactions been seen so far.  So today I'm going to be daring and have 2 glasses  :P
Thanks for the suggestions and support.  :-*
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2009, 19:56:55 pm »
That's great! Fingers are crossed for you :) :) :)
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2009, 20:08:57 pm »
Go really slowly... our ds has just grown out of a mpi and i re-introduced very small amounts at a time over a mth.  It was frustrating but now we're totally fine... and have discovered chocolate  ::)

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Re: Introducing milk to a (hopefully) 'recovering' MPI baby - how?
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2009, 20:25:08 pm »
Hema, how reactive was your DS when he was at his peak in his MPI (eg reflux-like symptoms, runny poop, vomiting) and how quickly did you see the symptoms/reaction?
 
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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2009, 20:34:28 pm »
Started out with vomiting and a rash on his face with formula, then evolved to black poop and stomach cramps.  If I ate too much dairy he'd be very unsettled as bf.  Didn't put all the pieces together until 7mths.  As time went on he could tolerate small amounts but too much and he was vomiting/ and black poop.  I kept trying periodically and i remeber clearly at 1yr i started giving him 1tsp of fromage frais on alternate days... after three lots he was up all night crying and wanting to be held.  In the morning his poops were so so black.  GP advised me to stop as his body was saying no.  Good news though... now he's completely fine!!

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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2009, 11:18:46 am »
DS2's symptoms were vomiting, reflux and mucusy green poo. When I reintroduced milk into my (not his diet) he was fine on Day 1, a bit fussy on Day 2 but by Day 3 the vomiting, green poos and reflux were back.

I did two trials (at 4 and 6 months) and each time I had to increase the med dosage afterwards.  Your LO is older though, so you might be OK. Paediatrician said any reaction would show by 3-7 days.

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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2009, 13:24:49 pm »
Good luck!  Sounds good so far, following along....:)

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Re: Introducing milk to a (hopefully) 'recovering' MPI baby - how?
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2009, 16:33:14 pm »
So here we are.  3 weeks after I started reintroducing milk products.  We think that we may be seeing a slow reaction occuring in DS2. :'(  Developed a barking croupy type of cough, having NWings often - settles himself but cries and thrashes when he's awake - and also having EW if his NW is close enough to his wake up time.

I'm pretty bummed out about it.  :'( :'( :'( :'( I was so hoping that we were making progress.
I've gone dairy free again to see if it helps and that will probably be the definitive proof.  Of course it will take nearly a week before we'll see if there's any difference.  I've gotta call the GI clinic nurse tomorrow (Monday) and see what she thinks. 
 
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2009, 17:53:25 pm »
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Feeling sad for you all, too.  It sounds like you had a great start.  Hugs for the rough road.  I hope the call is helpful tomorrow.

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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2009, 20:48:51 pm »
:(  Hugs!  I was hoping things would get better.
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2009, 20:54:27 pm »
It's really difficult to say for definate that it's the dairy causing this...  he could just have a cold.  I know your pain though, you just want it to have gone.  I remember thinking Ethan's allergy would never go, but it did... so have hope.  It will happen.  I'm inclined to say to push on. Recently when I was doing the re-introduction with Ethan, everytime he cried, had a nightmare or was just fussy I thought it was the dairy.  My GP said to me that I would see symptoms escalate and it would be obvious, rashes etc.  I was giving him the dairy directly though.  Follow your gut and speak to the GI clinic and see what they say.  Have you been keeping a diary??

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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2009, 21:32:10 pm »
Not a written one, but I do have a good recollection of when symptoms etc started as it's only been 3 weeks.  You are right Hema, I should put it on paper.
I was wondering about the cold idea, so will see if time shows us that as the culprit.

The NW & EW were unfortunately symptoms of his when we weaned the Prevacid about 2 months ago.  They stopped as soon as we reintroduced the Prevacid.  DS2's MPI has always shown up as reflux type symptoms so I'm inclined to thing that the NW & EW are probably the MPI 'flaring' up.
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2009, 21:45:34 pm »
Try and put in on paper... I always follow my gut but having it on paper can help you identify things that you may not pick up.  I see your train of thought re:reflux.

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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2009, 15:45:28 pm »
So with the site being down I've been unable to update you all.
hemz80, you were right.  Within 24 hours of me posting here, he starting dripping from his nose and sneezing etc etc. with a nasty head cold.  Never thought I'd be glad to see one of those! ::)  :P
We've kept on with milk in my diet and no real reaction that we can see.

Yesterday we gave him yogurt and so far no reaction. ;D  Did it again this morning and will keep doing it for a week before increasing to any other dairy products.

We've been adding about a quarter cup of coconut milk to his morning cereal, and a tablespoon of olive oil to his savoury meals at lunch and dinner. 
I had to weigh him on our scales (which are accurate to the 100gm) and then phone the dietician with the updated weights.  So I did that this morning.  He's gained 500gm in about 4 weeks.  The dietician has plotted his weights on the growth curves and he's moved above the 3rd percentile.  She said that the slope of his growth is much more than the slope of the percentile curve and that if things continue as they are he should be back on his percentile soon.
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2009, 16:41:08 pm »
Oh wow, that's awesome news!!  Yay!  :)
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2009, 18:00:54 pm »
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  Great new!!!!!!!!!  So glad to hear things are doing well!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2009, 21:22:29 pm »
Glad to hear the update Deb!!!

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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2009, 18:35:44 pm »
Fantastic news!!!!!  So happy for both of you - wooohooo!!  ;D

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« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2009, 12:44:52 pm »
So we've had 2 weeks of yogurt and a week of cheese and no reactions so far.  Will hold our course for another week (too much going on this week to do anything new) and then we'll try milk.
OMG!  I can't believe this might be over .... pinch me someone!
 
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« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2009, 19:24:12 pm »
PINCH!  PINCH!!!  Sounds like wonderful news that is certainly in order!  Hugs and so glad to hear things are still going well!

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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2009, 06:32:23 am »
It's over!  It's gone!! Done, hasta la vista, bu-bye! ;D ;D
DS2 has been on milk since the beginning of July and we've had no apparent issues.
OMG I cannot almost believe it's over. 
Now to deal with the reflux and wean the Prevacid....
 
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« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2009, 11:59:47 am »
OH Deb I am so happy for you!  We are in the same situation here and I can really truly understand how excited you are. DS accidentally had butter one day shortly after we arrived in Germany and he seemed fine for 24 hours, so we started him on bits of cheese and some tastes of yogurt and he is doing well!  I did try straight milk one day and hew as a total nightmare, but he was cutting 4 teeth at the same time, so I couldn't be definite about it.  I've not offered milk again but have given him a few licks of my ice cream now and again and cooked with milk in it (pancakes, etc) and no problems yet!  We have actually stopped label reading and stopped thinking about what we give him - if he wants to try something on my plate I don't say "noooo, there is milk in that" - and we are doing well.

It is a HUGE load off of your mind, isn't it?  Just feels like life is so much simpler now.  Sooooo very happy for you and your LO!

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« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2009, 14:03:51 pm »
Mashi, that's fantastic!  ;D
I would try again with the straight milk and see what happens.  Give it in the morning and then if he is a cranky pants you have the daylight hours to deal with it.
 
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« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2009, 14:52:13 pm »
ladies,

fortunately  I have never dealt with MPI and won't have to..(would be a nightmare especially as we barely eat meat so milk is a staple..) but wondeirng if you ahve tried cottage cheese? It is much easier to digest than straight milk and probably easier than normal processed cheese as well....
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« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2009, 15:58:21 pm »
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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2009, 03:51:05 am »
OMG - that is wonderful news!!!!!  What a relief.  So happy for both of you!!!  Wooohoooo! ;D ;D 

Gives me hope ladies...

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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2009, 06:55:53 am »
Wonderful news Deb and Mashi  :) :).

I'm going to try J again in 2 weeks - I'm hoping for success as he has been much less sickly lately despite his formula still being cows milk. So fingers crossed it is easing  :).

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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2009, 17:08:53 pm »
Give it in the morning and then if he is a cranky pants you have the daylight hours to deal with it.

And you think that's a GOOD thing?   :o

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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2009, 03:49:30 am »
The only good thing is that a cranky pants in the daylight hours is easier than being a cranky pants at 3am when, I don't know about you, but I certainly have zip for tolerance IYKWIM.

In the perfect world it will all go peachy though! :)
 
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Re: Introducing milk to a (hopefully) 'recovering' MPI baby - how?
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2009, 10:16:15 am »
Didn't work so well for us. Gave it to him in the morning for 10 days and had cranky pants in the day AND grumps at 4am! Took a while to twig cos he is also cutting his molars - ugh. But the red rash around his mouth for the last couple of days is a giveaway. Oh well, try again at 18 months I suppose!