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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2009, 02:47:35 am »
Yes please sylvia!

I didn't taste the gluten free bread myself, I just offered it to them and waited to see what would happen.  Zara doesn't eat much of it though LOL, thankfully Hugh does, since he won't eat rice, or gluten free pasta, or veggies.
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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2009, 09:11:16 am »
okay rina, i am seeing her on thursday, can you wait till then? her daughter is super fussy and eats the bread

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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2009, 09:14:47 am »
Sure, I can wait Sylvia, it isn't urgent, I have several commercial loaves already in the freezer which I would use up first anyway.

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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2009, 10:00:17 am »
I'm definitely convinced to get a referral for a paediatrician!

I'll have a look at the bf charts too.

Oh and another thing to look at re weight gain - did he triple his birthweight at 12 months?

No, he hasn't. He was born 3.93kg, and he's 9 kg.

One thing I find I use to up the calories is smoothies. Very easy to pack in lots of calories and give it in a straw cup. I use coconut milk/cream (very good for upping fat and calories) because of milk and soy allergies  but you could use full fat yoghurt as well, plus a banana any other fruit. Also load up the toast with butter and/or avocado. Can he have eggs?

You could always try a gluten, soy and dairy free diet (for you both) for a couple of weeks to see if it makes any difference? There is a sourdough rice or buckwheat bread available from Sydney (I've forgotten the name but it was in my health food shop) that was the most palatable of all the gluten free breads I've found.

I am journaling his food at the moment, hope you can all have a look and see if you think he's eating as other 13 month olds do, just to make sure i"m not expecting too much. Also his moods and what he refuses. I'll be looking at limiting certain foods at a later date, once I get a sense of his eating. 

He does have eggs, usually scrambled or boiled.

He most likely won't try smoothies yet, I think perhaps being unwell has made him cautious about new tastes.  We always used to put something on his plate to try but I'm now thinking after his being unwell it's all a bit overwhelming.
He got a bit upset when he tried a glass of lemonade at a party last night, he must have thought it was water. He then fussed about drinking water from a similar glass for quite a while until he tried it again (my DH FORGOT to pack his sippy cup  >:( ).  Same for me adding bm to his cows milk at breakfast (I defrost the bm and skim off the cream on top to add more calories) but he refused, though he might not have been up to eating yet.

His ability to take or leave food, and his lack of appetite sound familiar to me, so I really do think you should consider seeing a paed, and consider the possibility of food intolerances.

Is he a happy baby? or prone to irritibality, or tantrums etc? How is his sleep?

Where on the chart is his height? Is it proportionate to his weight, or is he much taller than he is heavy iykwim?

I'm hoping a more consistent approach to meals may help with being picky on foods. I wonder if offering more and more things (in a anxious attempt to get him to eat) made it worse. So I'm planning on offering the same meal until he eats, within in limits (but only a food I know he has eaten before). So this morning I offered cereal, and he refused at 7:30. Then DH ate his breakfast at 8:30 and DS ate a large amount of cereal.  I may just be out of sync with his appetite too. I think this journalling could really help, the more I think about it! 

Is he happy?  TBH up until 11 months I'd say he was a chilled out baby, happy and active. But it's hard to say now, I mean he's fairly happy, not quite as active though. But he's started day care, had a cold, tonsillitis and gastro in 2-3 weeks!  Plus we had a car accident just as I started work so I've probably been more stressed than usual too.  Once he started getting more sleep after his illness he was happier though, but as I say hard to say.

On the height chart, he started around the 90th percentile, it has slowly tapered to between the 50th-75th at 12 months. His head circumference has popped up from 75th to 90th.

Yesterday I felt quite anxious I have to say. It felt a bit overwhelming, I just wish I could feed him more more more!  ::)

Thanks everyone, it does feel much better to get on here and chat. My mum is saying just wait it out a bit and see, my MIL is saying go to a specialist soon. 
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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2009, 11:07:54 am »
i haven't read every post carefully so first, apologies if i say anything that has already been said....

first of all, sounds like your son hit flu season, and then a double dose of antibiotics is very hard on the immune system, bc it kills off all the healthy gut bacteria, which scientists today believe is now one of the most important tools in keeping the immune system strong (there was an article in science magazine about this last year).

so first off, i would recommend starting him on made for kids probiotics, to restore his healthy gut flora. usually they make them with nice tastes for the kids, like vanilla, a powder that you can just add with a little water, or even let them lick the spoon.

second, if his immune system is weakened following the rounds of antibiotics (This is normal) he may be catching more bugs and have less hunger in reaction.

it's good that you want to have him checked out again by a doctor, to make sure nothing serious is wrong and bc mums must do things that help them to feel calm and safe about their kids, so please do see a doc just to feel relieved...

but unless its really urgent, try not to give him antibiotics for every thing.... usually antibiotics are NOT recommended for every ear infection...a study showed that kids with or without the antibiotics were healing at the same rate....

about food itself, my first son was a poor gainer and a small eater. great ways to add healthy fats to food that we used might include:
1) add xtra virgin olive oil or flax seed oil or virgin coconut oil or organic butter to his grains, veggies, soups, breads, yoghurts, shakes....just a splash on top and mix...
2) buy kid-designed omega-3 oil in fruit flavors to add also....
3) avocado on whole grain bread or smushed into omelettes or even pureed in shakes with fruit.
4) add cheese to your omelettes.
5) my son at this age loved whole grain pancakes, made with oatmeal, lots of eggs, salt, a dash of baking powder, butter, blueberrys and a bit of organic sugar...i blended it with a hand blender and then made it into pancakes so he can hold them...goes crazy for it....if he 's old enough you can also add into the blender soaked walnuts, which have great healthy fat but must be blended at this age to a pulp.
6) organic sesame paste spread, and almond spread, walnut spread....really healthy and high in fat and delicious...to put on whole grain breads (we personally use whole grain rye bc our society is over addicted to wheat)...
7) sweet potato french fries with cheese
8) whole fat organic yoghurt with a splash of oil. if he only eats finger foods, my baby loves to eat the really thick buffalo yoghurt heaped on chinese rice crackers...he goes nuts about it. i give him small bites.
9) tofu burgers, you can make your own recipe with added olive oil.
10) meatballs are also nice finger food. chicken breasts cut into fingers, too...
good luck!

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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2009, 11:30:02 am »
Thanks for your post :)

I've been looking at the nut spreads, I saw the sesame seed paste. He does like toast or rice crackers, I've been adding cream cheese or peanut butter. I'd like to try the other spreads. He's a bit resistant to trying new things lately, so will wait until he's in a better frame of mind!

What is buffalo yoghurt?   

He seems to eat then spit some things out. Whole grape, rissoles lately. Not sure why.

With the antibiotics, he had 2 doses at 5/6 months but none since, would probiotics help now?  I agree, I don't like using antibiotics when not needed.  Esp when they are overused, their efficacy reduces overtime.
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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2009, 12:01:19 pm »
probiotics are recommended at any age, but especially any time after taking anti-biotics (and this was confirmed to me by the head of pediatrics at a hospital). they may have this at any drugstore where you live ,b ut if not should be in any health food store.
buffalo yoghurt is same as cow yoghurt but made from milk of the buffalo, sounds crazy right? someone recently told me about it and that it had double the calcium and more probiotics naturally than reg...so i decided to try and it is so delicious, me and my kids are addicted...its very creamy. if they don't have in your super, then check yr health food store...
i found that my kids get used to foods if you keep offering them....mine love the sesame spread (i buy almond spread less bc its so expensive but it is heavenly delicious). and the yoghurt from buffalo that we use is so thick that i use it instead of cream cheese.
don't know what rissoles are? but whole grapes should be cut into tiny pieces, maybe he doesn't like big bites..?

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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2009, 12:12:55 pm »
hon sorry yesterday was not so good, i've been thinking heaps of you and wondering how you were getting on, i am glad you have your mum and mil to talk to, i think i have already said it but if not, it is so instinctive for a mother to want to feed her child, i am here for you

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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2009, 12:21:12 pm »
IMAAYAFA: are you in australia? Buffalo yoghurt sounds interesting. I'l have to check my health food store, but i wasnt sure where you were posting from!



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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2009, 12:28:54 pm »
Charm, I think I would get a referral just for peace of mind.

It dos sound to me he might have a bit of a food aversion, maybe from the tonsillitis, as he is chewing things and then spitting them out? Or it could be allergies.

I've seen buffalo mozzarella here in Australia but not yoghurt. The mozzarella is hard to find though and sells out quickly!

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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2009, 21:05:56 pm »
no, sorry, i'm not in australia, but maybe you could search on the internet, too. i read that apparently mozzarella in italy is always made from buffalo. if you can't find  the yoghurt on the internet or at the health food store, you could ask the health food store about where to order it from, perhaps they know who has a herd of buffalos, lol.

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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2009, 21:59:40 pm »
Charm...Hugh did the chew and spit thing for ages too - his was related to his reflux, so it could well be that some things hurt when he was unwell and now he is nervous of them.

All of those food suggestions are great.  We can't get hugh to eat ANYTHING new though, he is sooooooooo fussy, that when we even put a food in front of him that he thinks he doesnt eat, he starts yelling and crying "noooooo, noooooooo, noooooooo" and when he finally calms down just hand the whole plate back to us :P 

It started out like you described though, at 13mo he wasn't as bad as this, it is getting worse, particularly I think from trying to "sneak" foods into him mixed with other foods, so now he doesn't trust the food iykwim
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Re: Small eater and low weight gain not a good combination
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2009, 00:09:50 am »
Rina, yeah it's hard enough to get kids to try new things without added worries!  Rory always tries new things, but lately she's been saying 'I don't want this or like that' but she's a kid I know who will rarely miss a meal and I think she's hearing us being concerned about Leobin that makes her think this food thing can be made an issue!  ::) 

Buffalo yoghurt sounds good, I didn't even click it was from a buffalo  ::) LOL I doubt we'd get it here in Aus though.
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