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17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« on: May 28, 2009, 02:31:44 am »
Hi all,

I have been posting in the toddlers board about my 17mo Spirited DS. I feel kind of bad for letting things get this far out of hand, especially looking at other posts about 4 and 5mo... :-[

My DS has slept through the night maybe 2 or 3 times in his whole life! He falls asleep with a bottle, and wakes every 1.5-2 hrs cying for another one. About 6 months or so ago I tried to do pu/pd and wi/wo but couldn't keep up the pace. I work until late in the evening and was just falling asleep all over myself. So I've gone back to giving him bottles, about 3 or 4 times a night. On average he'll drink about 16-18oz at night, which I know affect his daytime eating.

I noticed him carrying around his bottle all day and gradually sipping it more as a comfort item than out of real thirst/hunger. He has also refused milk from a cup.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. We are sooo tired! I am 22.5 wks pregnant, and really would like to get him sleeping on his own before we have our second child.

Thanks in advance

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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2009, 20:03:56 pm »
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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2009, 22:29:00 pm »
OK girl, let's do this thing!

First off, you're probably going to want to start this process on a weekend or whenever you have at least 2 consecutive days off work.  You may want to even cash in some vacation time OR enroll DH and/or grandparents to help out so that you can see this thing thru to the end. 

The good news is it will probably be hell for a day or two and then you'll be amazed at how well he adapts.  The bad news is the only way this works is if you are absolutely CONSISTENT! Once we ditch bottles/night feeds, there's no going back or you're just back at square 1.

So, since LO is 17 months old we don't have to worry about him getting too *little* milk.  Max milk/day for this age group is 16 oz.  And since he's on solids you can substitute cheese/yogurt/other dairy for milk.  So don't let him not drinking milk for a few days worry you one iota.  In fact, he's probably got some major nutritional issues right now if THAT much of his diet is from milk.  He'll do much better to be eating other foods instead!

Step 1: Ditch all the bottles.  Since he's 17 months, I suggest making a big deal about it.  We gave ours to Santa Claus.   ;D  But that's because my son's b-day is Dec 28.  For you, I might suggest saying something like "There are SO many babies who need ba-bas! Now that you're a big boy it's time to help the babies and give them yours!"  Then you put all the bottles in a bag and take them somewhere.  You can call ahead to a local nursery/daycare and just have them play along where you bring the bottles by and they say thank you and then you see all the babies with ba-ba's (not nec. yours!) and how happy they are.  Then let's go out and buy him some SPECIAL 'big boy' cups.  i'm sure you already have tons of sippies, but let's make a deal out of this and go shopping TOGETHER.  Let him pick which sippy he wants, maybe one with a cool character on it.  You might even have a big boy 'party' for him with a balloon and family members saying hooray etc. 

Step 2:  No more feeding to sleep! You just have to cut it cold turkey.  The first night's going to be hard b/c he's drinking so much at night he probably willb e genuinely hungry.  But he also sounds like he's an oral child who just enjoys sucking.  Let's make sure we have a substitute comfort item ready to go, whether that be a blankie or a stuffed animal he can mouth if he wants.  I don't know if he does paci's but that's also a suitable replacement.  In other words we don't just want to take his comfort from him but make sure he has a comfort alternative.  He won't LIKE the alternative at first, but given no other options he'll adapt!

Step 3: At each NW, you are going to comfort your child to sleep.  Like I said, we can't just steal his comfort away and offer him nothing.  That's why WI/WO isn't going to work here.  Instead we're going to use Gradual Withdrawal (GW).  So, the first 2-3 nights, you are going to comfort him in whichever way he prefers -- be that in the rocking chair, holding his hand, rubbing his back, whatever.  You're going to stay until he falls asleep.  After those first 2-3 nights, you are then going to stay next to his bed while he falls asleep, but you aren't going to touch him any more.  You can use words of comfort, however.  After 2 nights like that, you are going to move your chair away from his bed a bit, but not quite to center of room.  You can offer words of comfort when you first go in there, but after that you're just going to sit there quietly.  If he gets hysterical you can absolutely give him a hug and hold him until he calms, but then you go right back to your chair until he falls asleep.  Every 2 days we will move the chair until you are outside his room, and then outside his room AND out of sight.



I suspect after even just one night of this he will start making up the calorie deficit during the day.  If he wants milk you will offer it in a cup.  If he won't drink it that way, that's fine! He'll be just fine without milk for a few days.  He'll either eventually drink it or you'll just make up for it with dairy.  That's actually what we ended up doing it.  I have a Touchy who just refused to drink milk in a cup.  It went that way for over a year! Ped was fine as he ate plenty of cheese & yogurt.  Now a month ago he's started drinking chocolate soy milk in a cup.  We're slowly watering down choc with regular until hopefully we'll be regular only at some point.  You can try offering chocolate milk in a cup if you liek to help get him used to drinking milk that way.  For him milk isn't just food, it's comfort.  It's how he's comforting himself.  Since you're taking the bottle away entirely you can expect a VERY needy child for a few days.  That's OK! Offer him other kinds of comfort -- your presence, your words, etc. and make sure he has a lovey he can turn to if he needs it.

Sound like a plan?

Your child NEEDS a good night's sleep! He's been rewarded with sucking and milk at those NWs, which is why he's doing it.  Remove the reward and I think he'll be STTN very very soon.  So hang in there! All the sacrifice will be worth it! Just get your ducks in a row so that if you're tired it won't matter -- either get some support family members in place or take some time off work.  In the long run, a little time off work now will pay huge dividends later because YOU will finally get some much needed sleep! Not to mention your child needs it for growth and development, so to be a healthy child STTN is essential.  :-*
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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2009, 03:18:45 am »
Becky, thank you!  :-*

That absolutely sounds like a plan! It will definitely be hard to do, my son is a screamer and is VERY difficult to comfort when he gets really upset. But I am going to do it. This Thursday and Friday DH will be each taking a day off as DS's day care will be closed, I think we can start Wednesday night. I still have to work 1/2 days on Sat and Sunday, but DH can take the lead. Would you suggest we switch off each night, or I should be the one to primarily comfort him, since it's mostly on me now anyways?

I feel really good, I'm armed with a plan, and I keep rereading it so that on Wednesday I am ready to go. Wednesdays are my early nights from work and I'll pick DS up from daycare. I'll take him to trade his bottles for big boy cups, I'll try to make a big deal out of it. He loves balloons!

I will check back in and let you know how things are going. DH and I know that he needs to sleep! And we do too.

Thanks again,
Chakira

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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2009, 03:39:47 am »
Hi Chakira,
I have no real advise for you as my 16 month old has very rarely STTN either, he has bottles to go to sleep, I have always done this with all my kiddies but never had the trouble of it becoming a prop for sleep like i do with Max! We are slowly making progress with wi/wo and he is now sleeping from 7pm til 5.30am, i'm trying to extend that til at least 6.30am but we have been changing his nappy and giving him a bottle and he usually sleeps until 7am...(this morning it was 7.45) :) I know its probably not the IDEAL thing to give him that 5.30am bottle, but whatever works for individual families i think, i'm just happy that we are getting a really decent sleep now, and not NW's every 2 hours, when we first started the wi/wo DH and I set a limit, nothing for him until at least 5am, so he has improved a great deal.
Max is only a tiny 16 month old and not a great eater so i dont think the 5.30am bottle will hurt for a little longer!
Just be strong and do things at your pace, and your own comfort levels! I have a screamer when my DS is upset it takes awhile for him to settle, so i know that feeling! It will work, just be consistant and you and your DH will see a change in him, I had to get my DH to help out aswell and it really helped, i was physically and mentally exhausted having 3 kids and NWs and listening to DH lay there and not help made me mad, so he has helped alot so i can lay there and rest while he's doing wi/wo/..... it does help to switch every now and then til it becomes easier!

Hope you see some results soon!
All the best and keep us posted!
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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2009, 12:42:58 pm »
You can switch off if you want.  I'd go with whatever DS seems more comfortable with. Some families find that with daddy LO acts up less, LOL! They know how soft hearted us mommies are, so figure what's the point on putting the WHOLE show on? LOL!  In our family, tho, it's usually me that does the comforting -- my DS will quickly go back to sleep for me but with DH he just cries for mommy.  :'(  So really, just do what seems to make him feel most at ease.

I know you can do this!  And DS will be SO much happier too.  I'll be here for every step, so feel free to update, moan, or brag about your success! I'd love to hear about it all!
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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2009, 01:41:55 am »
Tomorrow's the big day! I am scared out of my mind actually. I think I'm prepared, I went out and got new pacis,  I've been "wearing" this blankie-stuffed animal, so hopefully It'll smell like me (I don't know if that will help). I am just terrified, that he is not going to respond well, and we will be up all night for a long time...

Wish me luck and courage to see it through!

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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2009, 02:47:20 am »
You can do it my dear! Read the GW diary I gave you.  It will help b/c you'll see they had success VERY quickly despite LO sleeping with parents for a long time.  First day is going to be VERY hard.  2nd day will be better. 3rd day might be bad again, but by 4th day you're going to be surprised at your progress!
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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2009, 22:31:03 pm »
Ok! No bottles all day! I made a big deal about getting rid of them. We got him a cool cup with his name on it. He's not been happy about drinking milk from it though. I think I'm ready!

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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2009, 03:15:00 am »
Great start!!! Like I told you it took my son like 6-12 months before he'd accept milk in a cup, and only choc milk at that! But that's OK as long as he's getting dairy in other ways.  Milk isn't nec. at this age for nutrition b/c they can ingest it in solid form.
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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2009, 01:01:53 am »
No more bottles!! I will update further in the morning. Still waking up at night, though...

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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2009, 03:08:20 am »
Here's the update,well some of it.

The first night of no bottles, we did his wind down routine, bath, books and I tried to give him milk in a cup. No go! He really didn't wind down that much as that's what his bottle helped him to do. I put him down, and he played for a while in his crib, but then as he was getting sleepy, he realized there was no bottle, and the screaming began. Three hours of screaming! Nothing I did comforted him, not holding or rocking or just rubbing his back, nothing. Finally around 10:45pm he kept trying to get me to nurse him, and I came up with the idea of giving him the top of an old bottle (since he did not like the pacis, maybe because of the shape?) he sucked on that like a paci and calmed himself down. He woke about 2 hrs later and stayed up for about an hour, then woke once again for about 30 minutes. Both times he fell asleep with that bottle top as a paci. We both slept on the futon in his room.

Night two DH put him to sleep and said it took about an hour to get him to fall asleep, he woke 4 times, twice found his "paci" and put himself back to sleep, and twice he needed reasurance from us. It has been slowly getting better, to the point where a week later, I put him to bed- after drinking some milk from his cup- gave him his "paci" and his blankie and he went right off to sleep.

The only thing is that he is still waking at roughly the same times as he did before, now he's just harder to get back to sleep as before we'd just give him a bottle and he'd go to sleep. Now sometimes if he finds his paci he'll go back so sleep, but other times he'll need us to stand by his crib and rub his back. It was hard with the site down, I wanted to pop back in here to see what I needed to do next. I'm still soooo tired.... He still wakes at around 10:30, 11:30, 2;30 and 4:30 and then up for the day around 6:30.

Please help me figure out what to do next? Remove myself slowly?

Thanks for your help so far! And on a side note, he is eating so much better now that he is not drinking all of that milk at night!!! Yay!

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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2009, 17:47:26 pm »
Woohoo! progress!

I'm wondering if we should pop you over to the prop board, although now we've gotten rid of the prop we just need to get rid of the habitual wakings!

we know it's not hunger.  It's habit.  He's been waking for a bottle for so long it's ingrained.  I'm wondering if now we do a gradual withdrawal where we start you out in his room on a mattress on the floor so that you are there sleeping next to him and can soothe him immediately if he wakes.  We can do that for about 3 days.  Let's see what happens if you do that.  If his NWs reduce, then we can clearly see the next step.  If NWs DON'T reduce, then we're going to have to look at some other factors that may be involved.

He's really dependent on that bottle for soothing, and we've got to find a way to teach him to soothe himself.  Now that he's not being rewarded with food I'm hoping that he just doesn't bother to wake! Unfortunately the habit is REALLY ingrained, eh?
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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2009, 23:30:28 pm »
Oh yeah, it's ingrained alright! He wakes at the same time roughly every night. Though las night we woke at 12:30 and then only once before waking at 6:45. Progress? Too soon to tell...

So should I not let him have that "paci" at all? Aww, man that is going to be hard! Or, should I give it to him and sleep next to him on the floor. I'm a little confused. That is his comfort thing, am I to replace that? Please help! I"m slow... ???

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Re: 17 month old needs a bottle to go to sleep!
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2009, 23:40:12 pm »
Oh no, I wouldn't take the paci away.  He seems to need it to soothe right now.  Let's get him sleeping well before we take another comfort object from him.  I'd have you sleep on the floor next to him AND have the paci.
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