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What do you think?
« on: July 13, 2009, 10:07:17 am »
Hi Everyone!
My DS is 6 mths and 3 weeks today, textbook and 22 pds in weight. He is a great baby and very happy. Can you help with my query please? My LO wakes between 7 and 7.30 am and the day goeas something like this

Wake 7am
E - milk - 7.30 (doesn't like to eat as soon as he gets up)
     solids - 8.15
A
S - 9.30 - 11.30

E - milk - 12
     solids - 12.45
A
S - 2 - 4

E -milk - 4.30
    solids - 5.15
A

E - milk 6.45 bed - 7

DF - 10.30 (trying to wean this but not really started yet)

Our problem is that around about 5am DS will stir and start chatting and sometimes will drop back to sleep and sometimes I will go in and put the dummy in and he will usually drop off til wake up time but I am such a light sleeper that it will take me another 45 mins to 1 hr to get back to sleep again as he often is still chatting to himself for a bit longer after I go in! I know this doesn't seem like a big problem compared to some but i just wondered why he did this?  Today we have had a black out blinds installed to see if that helps. Anybody have any ideas?
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2009, 10:36:20 am »
Forgot to say that the above routine is when we are at home for the day. If we are out and about then one of the naps will be about 30 mins ish in the pushchair - this doesn't seem to affect his night sleep but we sometimes have to squeeze a cat nap in on those days x
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2009, 19:43:04 pm »
Are people not answering my post because it doesn't seem like much of a problem? I agree that we are lucky with our DS but I just wondered what people thought x
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2009, 19:59:29 pm »
Hmmm.  Does anything happen round 5-ish that might wake DS up?   Car engine/streetlight turning off/garage door/dogs/etc?

We had exactly the same problem, but only on certain days.  Finally, I figured out it was next door's puppy barking.     

I haven't come up with a (humane!!) solution yet tho.... :-\ ;)

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2009, 20:07:53 pm »
Hi nellistar,

My dd did and still does smth similar, she wakes up chats away and them falls asleep, I don't even need to go into her.
Here's a similar and recent post by another mum with similar situation: http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=153409.0
The mod suggested that her lo may be ready for a longer A time.

So maybe u could follow on her advice an try an push ur lo's mornin A time by 5 mins r so and see if it makes any difference.

But as I said my dd wakes up at all hours of the night an mornin for a quick chat with herself and goes back to sleep, and tweaking her A time does not seem to make any difference. Then again I have no prob going back to sleep and most of the time I don't even wake up unless she's crying :)

Best of luck, hope u get this sorted.

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2009, 20:15:51 pm »
Oh, forgot to mention that if ur lo is not crying when he wakes up I would avoid going into him as much as possible as by going in u could establish a habit.

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2009, 09:29:11 am »
Thank you bennysmama and evgenia for your replies!
Well last night he did not wake at 5!! He woke at 6.30 and started chatting and e just left him as he sounded happy planning to go in at 7 then he went quiet and while I was wondering when to wake him again he woke at 7.10! I was awake from 6.30 but that is great!
Didn't quite know when to start the day from today so went for 7ish and extended his first A time as advised so he went down at 9.50am. Seems a long A time but he was v happy right until he went down. Will do a 7pm bedtime tonight.
Thanks again - happy Mummy today!
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2009, 13:39:58 pm »
Glad it is workin out for u. But I would be very carefull about increasing the A time. U went almost 20 mins up today, it is recomended to increase A time by 5 mins in three day increments to allow lo internal clocks to ship gradually.

But do see how he gets on the rest of the day an if his happy and content u can jus keep goin with this A time. I did that with my DD once or twice, increased her A time by a good bit in one go. Worked fine a few times but had a few cases when it backfired.

Also remember to look at the A times through out the day and see if they need to be tweaked. I found with my dd that if she was ready for longer A in the morn she also was ready for longer A through out the day.

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2009, 14:29:11 pm »
I realised afterwards that the A time was  way too long! And he did wake earlier from his nap so the second A time i went back to 2 and a half hours. I think that i will add 5 mins to both A times tmrw and see what happens.
Thanks for your expert help!
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2009, 20:18:20 pm »
you have received wonderful advice already, thanks ladies :-*

just wanted to add, ews here have been caused by:
- sunlight (so good to see you've got blackout blinds, they have definitely helped us!)
- outside noises (our neighbour pottering around the house and occasional traffic noise starting outside) so we actually still use white noise in his room at night time. he doesnt need it to sleep but it filters out our neighbourhood noises that start around 6am and he sleeps til 730am)
- more A time needed. when it wasnt any of the above things then an extra 10/15mins A time also solved the problem. as pp suggested tho, you may wish to increase more slowly. many bubs cope with a 10/15min jump at once, others, particularly touchy LOs do better with 5 min increases.

also, as pps said, if he isnt crying, then just leave him be. this waking in the early morning is a natural part of their night time sleep patterns. towards early morning, seratonin levels decrease and lighter sleep starts, however this is usually followed by another hour or so of deep sleep before they wake for the day. if something disturbs them during this light sleep or if their A times arent long enuf during the day, then they can have trouble transition into that last deep sleep phase.

HTH
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2009, 09:51:43 am »
Thank you! Really interesting stuff! After our accidental long A time yesterday morning everything got back on track for the rest of the day and this morning he woke for the first time at 7.10am!!!!!! Wow! Was it the long A time I wonder? Added 5 mins to A time this morning and will do same for rest.
 Bit worried about changing things now we seem to be fixing EW as we are desperate to stop the DF and have started giving 1oz less every 3 days - following the diary of a dream feed on sleep thread. Realise this could disrupt things but we are going to try as it has become a real pain!
Thanks again!
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2009, 13:42:48 pm »
ew can sometimes come back a little with df weaning. make sure 'dinner' has something sustaining like rice, potato, pasta (prob too young for pasta!) but carbs of some sort will help overnight. also make sure you are adding the extra oz somewhere else during the day, so either in another milk feed or and extra tbs of solids.

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2009, 13:56:24 pm »
Am giving more solids these past couple of days. We always do 7oz bottles but he doesn't have all that so we put it in his food if poss.
Thanks for your help and congrats on the pregnancy - just noticed the ticker!
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2009, 20:27:23 pm »
Congrats on tacklin the EW!

As Kirry said DF weaning could cause some diruptions, but I followed the plan from the book an it went smoothly. And life seemed so much more simple once it was done, after 7pm it was all our time :)

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2009, 09:02:25 am »
Thanks Evgenia!
Well our DS had to be woken by his Daddy at 7.10am!! Can't believe it - really pleased.
As regards DF, we are following what the mum did on Diary of a dream feed on the sleep thread - she reduced oz's but did it at the same time every night - 10.45pm. we are worried about having to wake DS up 1 and a half hours after he goes down for the last few DF's but I do understand that it helps them to get used to going a long time without food and eventually is almost  like a last feed. I am still undecided and am changing my mind as I write this!
Nell xxx
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