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Meal times are so frustrating!
« on: August 21, 2009, 00:53:18 am »
My lo is almost 13 months and is a very picky eater!  He is driving me crazy because I just don't know what to feed him.  He squirms in his seat, pulls at his bib, whines, cries, spits food out, and the list goes on.  He likes all fruit, but very few veggies and doesn't like pasta, chicken, ground beef, grilled cheese, chicken nuggets, etc.  What child doesn't like pasta and grilled cheese??????  This is crazy!  If I only fed him fruit, yogurt and corn on the cob, he'd be happy, but he obviously can't eat like that all the time.  My pediatrician said we should stop offering him something different, as we were doing before, and just let him skip a meal if he chooses not to eat and that eventually, he'll learn to eat what is being served.  I just don't know if that will happen though and I worry that he won't get enough to eat in one day.  Tonight, he actually did not eat dinner and I was so frustrated that I gave up and he went to bed with just his bottle.  I am worried that he'll be up in the middle of the night and I'm definitely not feeding him then.  Any suggestions?  He's also making a really slow transition from bottles to a sippy.  He loves drinking water from the sippy cup, but not milk so much. I'm starting to see some improvements with that though so I'm hoping that will continue.  I just don't know what to do about the food issues.  I will check out the picky eaters thread, just thought I'd post something on my own too.

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Re: Meal times are so frustrating!
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2009, 08:04:09 am »
I know just how frustrating it is. I would try to follow your Drs advice, although I would try to make sure every meal includes something you think he may eat. Also, you can try experimenting with different shapes - my LO at that age wouldn't eat 'spears' of food but would eat the same thing if it was cut up in blueberry sized chunks. Also, he wouldn't eat grilled cheese but he would eat lumps of cheese and lumps of toast served separately.

Even if he eats absolutely nothing for one day, he will still get his milk and he will make up for it the next day.





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Re: Meal times are so frustrating!
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2009, 10:30:43 am »
My almost 12 month old is the same - and always has been. I read threads of all the things peoples los will eat and just sigh.

I take the approach that I decide what is for a meal and offer it. I try to make sure that he will like either the savoury or the sweeter part. If he eats sweet nothing then fine. I often find when he eats nothing he doesn't make up the milk either so I guess he just wasn't hungry. We do get some hunger driven NWs on really bad days. TBH I just feed - I know many wouldn't - but I find that on a good eating day he does sleep through. I do worry about creating terrible habits but figured that if it is only on terrible days then perhaps there was a reason he didn't eat eg teething or for Jacob reflux and tummy ache. I guess dealing with his reflux is what makes me do this as I know that sometimes he genuinely can't manage enough.

Jacob likes things that look nice  :) so a little savory muffin in a pretty paper case that is actually made from courgette  :P. He thinks they look fun so will eat them. He will very rarely spoon feed anything - apart from yoghurt.

He LOVES little toast fingers. For months these were plain and boring but now we have fruit bread and rye bread and things like that. We have started little sandwiches in the last few weeks with some success.

He often will eat things off my plate that he wouldn't touch if I gave it to HIM.

I think we just have to hang in there really. Offer a meal and if they don't eat then fine. If they throw a fit in the HC let them down. I sometimes put a bowl on the floor then and he eats a bit out of there. ALWAYS offer finger foods. Perhaps now you could try one of those nice plates with 3 sections and put 3 different things in - one you know he will eat, one he might, and one you want to introduce/ encourage.

Does he play with food? Fling it, squish it, study it? I see the feeding team with Jacob with these issues and they ALWAYS stress the importance of food play.

Have you noticed any textural issues or patterns to what is disliked? Jacob will very rarely feed himself anything too soft or slimy. So no fruit pieces apart from blueberries and banana, and no steamed veggies. But will sometimes eat a roasted veggie. We are NOT good with veggies though. I tod the feeding team this and lo and behold the answer was - put them out at every meal and let him explore them and get used to them.

Stop looking at a meal or even a day in isolation. Keep a food diary for a while and you will likely see that over the course of a few weeks it isn't as awful as you though.

But DON'T stress too much about it. There truely is nothing you can do but offer an appropriate meal option, and with time adapt to likes and dislikes as the range slowly increases.

If mealtime has become a screaming battleground then step back from it for a while, take him down when he goes mad. Let him know that you are listening to him and hopefully he will start to settle down a bit. Or at the very least he will learn that if he goes mad the meal is over and he has to wait until the next meal.

I think they are old enough it learn this now. I mean - he is capable of crawling behind furniture to hide from a nappy change - so he is capable of understanding that food is offered in a certain way.

I really do understand you frusration though. I often take Jacob down purely because I am fed up of him and it stops me getting cross with him.

I hope some of this is helpful.

Has your lo EVER eaten well? And ever taken lots of textures etc?

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Re: Meal times are so frustrating!
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2009, 18:44:06 pm »
Thanks for your responses and advice.  Always good to know that I'm not the only one out there pulling my hair out!

I guess I need to try to make meals that offer him at least one thing he likes, as you said Liz, that way I know he is eating at least a small amount and being encouraged to try something new.  Dinner is definitely the most difficult time.  For breakfast, he is good with fruit and a waffle, pancake, cereal, etc.  And for lunch, I try to stick with yogurt, pizza, leftovers if he liked them the day before, etc.  I may not be getting him to eat as much variety as I'd like, but I'm still trying.  Today, I discovered that there is a new kind of baby yogurt that has veggies and fruit mixed in, so there is a bit more nutrition in them.  I gave it to him today and he liked it a lot.  I have also found that he likes green beans in his yogurt.  Yuck!  But if he likes them that way, then that is how they shall be served!   ;)

He did better last night than I expected, but did wake at 5:45 this morning.  He only cried for a minute or so and then was quiet again until almost 7:00.  When I got him up, he devoured his bottle and breakfast, so I know he was hungry for sure.

He does have reflux, but eating has never been an issue.  He has always eaten well, until just recently.  He was eating baby food for a while, but then we started noticing that he would turn his head from them and try to get our food instead, so we slowly switched him to all table food.  Unfortunately, it hasn't gone as well as we had anticipated.  He definitely seems to have texture issues, so the softer, mashed foods are still his favorites.  He also prefers to self-feed and would rather that I not spoon feed him, so that makes things even more interesting.  The other night, I had cut his dinner all up for him and gave it to him, but he wouldn't touch it.  He started reaching for mine.  I gave him some of mine and he ate it all up.  I think he prefers to bite away at larger pieces rather than the small chunks that I typically give him.

I will also start using the sectioned plates...another good idea I hadn't thought of.

Well, tonight should be fine because we always have pizza for dinner on Fridays and he definitely enjoys that.  So, all in all, today was much better.  Here's to hoping for a good weekend here and for you as well.

Oh, Liz, what is courgette?????

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Re: Meal times are so frustrating!
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2009, 19:24:33 pm »
Its Zucchini in other countries   :)

Sounds like it is just a matter of messing around with things a bit - and allowing him to start to control things a bit more. That is all these food battles are about really - and one us mummies cannot win as we cannot make them eat.

Seems like you have some good ideas anyway!!

Hope the weekend goes well.

I had a temper tantrum in the HC this evening as he wanted what was in the plastic box on the worksurfce - it had a cinnamom pasty in it. I eventually gave him a teeny bit and he settled and ate his dinner. Honestly! Boys  ::). I will be removing all food items from view from now on!!

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Re: Meal times are so frustrating!
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2009, 19:51:16 pm »
Oh, that is funny.  These boys sure can be tricky.  The other night I had to hide my lo's corn on the cob, so he would eat the other food first. 

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Re: Meal times are so frustrating!
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2009, 20:44:01 pm »
I had him scream for a bottle in the middle of his tea the other day. He was pointing to a dirty one on the side saying b b b mil mil. When I realised I was so cross. I mean he was in the middle of tea for goodness sake. I eventually gave him 4oz (made him sit in the HC for it though) and THEN he ate all his dinner. I guess he was just hungry but for goodness sake  ::) :P.

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Re: Meal times are so frustrating!
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2009, 08:16:12 am »
hi i have read this thread with great interest. I am sooooo frustrated over meal times, now my lo wont have a spoon. its happened so quickly, i dont understnad, all of a sudden he is eating no veggies coz i dont have anything finger foody to give him. I'm sure this is a normal stage of babies growing up but i am so annoyed by it. I feel so let down when i see other mums feeding their open mouthed kids mush food like i would expect for a 10 month old, and then i see mine, flatly refusing any spoon fed food, even fruit pots, which used to be a staple for him. In the last week he has started refusing breakfast too.

Should i just offer him dry cheerios for breakfast? and bits of veg aand meat/sandwiches for dinner and just hope against hope that he might eat something.  I know i am worrying unduly  but i'm so upset seeing him refuse to eat. but as you guys all say, he will eat things from my plate with a spoon no problem!

How can i get through this? support needed!!!!

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Re: Meal times are so frustrating!
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2009, 16:12:09 pm »
You just have to let him finger feed it. Keep offering veggies at every meal (frozen mixed veggies bags are great for this one). I also make little savoury sweetcorn or carrot muffins.

Then just finger feed everything else. Little sandwiches are a hit here recently.

If I remember correctly your lo has recovering MPI and is on soy milk? And you are UK based?

Shreddies dipped in milk make a good alternative to cheerios  :).

In some respects it is good when they spoon refuse as it means they are developing skills - but oh so frustrating at the same time!!

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Re: Meal times are so frustrating!
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2009, 19:07:55 pm »
Yellow Rose, from my own experience, I say go with what your doctor says!

We have been through the same thing this past month, and after putting my foot down with "if you don't want it, that's all there is!" and letting meal times go without DS eating, he is now finally eating again!

I do know that lots of the problem stemmed from my husband getting overly stressed about meals and used to spend the entire meal time running around the kitchen offering him this, that, and the other: ie/ DS didn't eat his sweet potatoes, his chicken, his carrots or his eggs...so DH would start offering corn, peas, pears, bread, strawberries, and on and on and on until he decided DS had eaten enough that he wouldn't be hungry.  We argued continuously about this, but it didn't stop him.  In the end, DS decided that he liked bread.  And pretty much, ONLY BREAD.  So, after me attempting to offer a meal to DS, DH would get out the bread and DS would fill up on that - rolls, toast, sliced, freshly baked, you name it, he got his bread.

That turned into meal times being more or less bread and bread only.  After two or three days I was more up the wall than before, and it finally turned into DS going two days without pooping, and insisting that the only thing he would eat was bread, followed by a dessert of fruit. So, I put my foot down -- with both DS and DH.  I made up a menu, stuck it to the fridge, and made sure that as much as possible, I did dinner early before DH got home from work.  If DH insisted on having bread with his own meal then we had to eat dinner after DS went to bed, or DH could take his bread and eat it in the bathroom  :P

On my little menu I made sure that there was ONE thing that I KNEW that DS would for sure eat - for instance, corn. Everything else was a reasonable choice for a toddler.  And I limited the portions of it - if corn is on the menu, he gets a reasonable serving of corn, and if he doesn't eat the other things that are on offer, he can't just sit there and eat 4 adult portions of corn IYKWIM.

First night, he ate nothing from his dinner but a few peas.  Breakfast the next day was pancakes and blueberries - he didn't want the pancakes but did want the blueberries. I gave him a small handful - reasonable serving size to compliment the pancakes which were really the "meal" and made sure they were put away in the fridge so he couldn't just eat a pint of them to fill up.  By the time lunch came, after two meals skipped, he inhaled a tuna sandwich - he HATES tuna.  He ate it all, shouted for more, and ate a second tuna sandwich.  Didn't pick the tuna off and throw it on the floor like usual.  For dinner, that night, he tried a couple of things, didn't like them and only ate the slice of cheese that was "on the menu." But nothing else.  Next day he wouldn't eat breakfast (scrambled eggs) OR lunch (can't remember what it was, but he had very little of one thing that was on offer and that was it). By dinner, he most all of what I offered, tried a bunch of new things because he was desperate enough, and surprised us both.

He is screaming hungry for his milk in the mornings but after three or four days, he will now eat pretty much anything I put in front of him again.  I figured he would go two weeks without eating, on hunger strike to get what he wanted, but it took about three days. 

I do think it is important to offer one thing that he will definitely eat at his meal, but to limit the portion to a reasonable sized amount of that item, and let him refuse the other things if he chooses to. 

At one year old, I don't think that NWs will result from one day of poor eating.  Offer a small snack between breakfast and lunch and again between lunch and dinner, and it will help to sustain him.  Snacks we (now) go for are small pieces of fruit, a teething biscuit, a bit of cut up deli meat and bits of cheese, etc. Healthy, nutritious, but not filling enough that he won't eat a meal - just enough to keep him going between meals.

I know it is hard to do but it will be much harder the older he gets to break the habit of him choosing from a very limited variety of foods.  The more variety you can offer him, the less he sees the same foods, and the more he comes to realise that this is it, the more willing he will be to try new things and realise he DOES like them! 

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Re: Meal times are so frustrating!
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2009, 19:44:02 pm »
Just wanted to throw something your way which my pead told me. Do u feed LO before you eat? Apparently, being little monkeys, kids will eat better or aquire better 'table manners' if they can mimick their parents eating. With my DS I used to be 100% attention on him and get quite stressed and frustrated till I spoke to my pead who said, sit him at the table with you, give him his plate and leave him to it. Granted, it gets pretty messy but the 'hands on ' (quite literally) worked really well, he was never a fab eater but he did do much better this way.
WIth DD I did this from the start and she's a great eater. My pead with some kids it's attention seeking, others it's impatience or merely 'games' so best to just 'ignore' them (not literally but just in the don't feed them way) and they'll be more curious to try new things.

A few things to try: rice? maybe with peas and raisin or bit of apple in? you can shred up some chicken and put that in there too? Soup? My kids hate veg (or so they think) and I make a veg soup with anything I have at least 3 times a week. You can also have bread or croutons for dipping.  Both my kids have a hard time with mince meat (still now, it kind of gets stuck in gums and can be odd to try to chew) so I do a chicken breast in the griddle then cut into strips and given as finger food ( you can marinate it for nicer taste!) or a thin steak, again cut into strips, they have more control over how much they bite off with a strip of meat and can experiment with it. Also omelette? aGAIN  you can give it as finger food and chuck in anything (cheese, zucchini, etc) If he doesn't much like pasta can you try some fun shape pasta? Might distract him. You can make your own chips from potatoes, carrots, Zucchini, aubergine etc which again can be used as finger food.


I hoe that helps a little

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Re: Meal times are so frustrating!
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2009, 23:51:56 pm »
Mash, I hear you on the bread thing.  These kids are like little vacuum cleaners when it comes to bread products!  I'm glad that your lo finally gave in and ate well.  I'm still working on our lo, but trying to offer him one thing that I know he likes, which is helping a bit.  Tonight, we went to a BBQ and I let him have some hot dog (not my preference, but what do you do at a BBQ?), which when I fed to him, he spit out, but when I put it on the fork and let him feed himself, he ate it.  So, that was interesting and let me know how he wants to eat.  Apparently, even though he has major SA and always wants me, eating is something he wants to be independent with.  For lunch today, I gave him chicken, corn, and fruit.  He ate one piece of chicken, but finished all of the corn and fruit, so I considered that a success. 

Yaya, we do eat with our lo, so I don't think that is an issue.  I have tried eating a piece of whatever he is refusing and showing him that it is good, but he doesn't fall for that one.  He often won't even try something that is on his plate, so it's not a matter of him deciding he doesn't like it because he hasn't even tasted it!  Eggs, for example, have never actually entered his mouth.  I wish I could do the omelette thing, but I know it will just go to waste.  The other day, I gave him a waffle but also put a couple pieces of scrambled egg out for him and he just picked them up and moved them to the side.  Stinker!  I have not tried soup yet, but will give that a go. 

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2009, 07:33:46 am »
I love the picking it up and moving it to the side!  My DS does that. He also will look at some things pick them up and hand them back to me.  I say thank you, and put it on the table and let him go back to looking at and playing with his food. .  My DH refuses to take it from him, or takes it from him and tries to make him eat it -- and then DS gets angry, throws everything and wants out of his chair.  And yet STILL my DH hasn't learned...... sigh

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Re: Meal times are so frustrating!
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2009, 18:58:33 pm »
Well, for lunch today, I offered him green beans, pears, and chunks of cheese.  I was going to give him bread afterwards, if he ate the other stuff, so he was sort of having a cheese sandwich, just in two separate servings, but all he ate was the pears.   :(  For dinner tonight, I made quiche, which I'll be surprised if he eats, but I'll offer him corn and maybe some sweet potatoes and see how he does.  Wish us luck!

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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2009, 19:53:36 pm »
Good Luck  :)

Jacob is still being a trickster (and I think always will be really). Ate quite well today according to my mum. I was at work. But she always thinks he is doing WONDERFUL no matter what he does so not the best judge. Apparently had wheetabix, fruitbread and blueberries for breakfast. Then a teeny bit of Lamb casserole, a salmon goujon and a potato for lunch (very odd combination  :-\ but again Mum was in charge) and some banana and raisons for pudding, then cream cheese sandwiches and yoghurt for tea. So not a bad day. I'm sure the amounts at each sitting were VERY low though. I know what he is like.

Jacob also moves things to one side, or if he really doesn't like it flings it off the highchair. But sometimes he flings it by accident out of excitement. He also wants to feed me a lot. Or build towers of food on top of his cup. Or put everything into either the bowl or the yoghurt pot or whatever. Only time he will eat lumps off a spoon though - when he has put them in there  ::) :P.