8.5 mo early waking. needs help!

[koe2moe]

Another hunger EW at 3:58, after bottle, slept till 5:18!!!  Up for the day.  I just put him down at exactly 3h30, a bit of sounds but we'll see what happens.

oh 2nd A when he fell asleep yesterday was 3h10.  I suspect if he had a good first nap, he could do 3h45.   I also learned something else.  After 10mins nap, DS was totally recharged, happy and full of energy.  I put him down at 1h10 A and it was UT coz he only slept 45mins.  Next time when this happens, I can try 1h30. I never had this before so I didn't know until you mentioned it. 

Oh BTW, I just realise that on your ticker, you're pregnant!!!  Congratulations!!!    Must be so exciting!  Thanks so much again.

[sherry lynn]

Do you mind posting yesterday routine?

Do you feel that the EW are OT?

[*Liz*]

Is your DS 10 mths plus now?

J has settled to 11-11.5 hr nights at the moment - but TBH some babies just DO NOT sleep 12 hrs at night - and if lo is one of them it does help to know as it changed how you might tackle things.

[sherry lynn]

I did notice a change of night sleep around 10-12 months, and then again at 18 months.

[koe2moe]

DS is a week short of 10mo.  So if I still can't get it sorted out, he will get into the 10mo and will probably sort itself out  

11h will be great!  

Sherry Lynn, I do feel that it was OT EW. 

3 Oct
5:20  hunger wake up, bottle, back to sleep
7:10  wake up A 4h10
11:20  in cot
11:30  S 30 mins
12:00  A  3h10
15:10  S 10 mins 
15:20  A  1h10
16:30  S  45mins (I think UT)
17:15  A  2h15
19:20  in cot
19:30  S 

4 Oct
3:55  hunger wake up, bottle, back to sleep
5:20  wake up A 3h30 in cot/3h45 to sleep  (too long)
8:50  in cot
9:05  S  24mins (OT)
9:29  A  3h10 in cot/3h 30 to sleep 
12:40  in cot
13:00  S  25mins  (OT)
13:25  A  2h25
15:50  S  1h30  (fell asleep in pram)
17:20  A  2h10 in cot/2h25 to sleep (maybe too short)
19:30  in cot
19:45  S 

I would aim at 3h30 to sleep tomorrow for 1st A.  I think I know more now what to do after short CNs.  I never knew before.  DS ate normal after 1h30 nap.  So it's good but probably EW due to too short A before bed.

I am a little bit concerned about sleeping in pram as prop!  He never used to sleep longer than 30mins in pram no matter how hard we tried.  But perhaps it's really just the right A times. 

If DS wakes for hunger EW, then back to sleep, do you count the sleep as STTN or u minus the 30mins of feeding out of the sleep amount?

[sherry lynn]

you might be pleasantly surprised tomorrow morning. I think DS is/was really really OT so an early bedtime might be what he needed.

I was afraid that 3h30m was too much right off the bat. I would def. lower it to IN BED at 3h15m. If all along you've been counting the A time to when he goes to sleep, then it might even need to be a tad lower, like in bed at 3h. But I would try 3h15m in bed first and see how it goes.

I wouldn't worry about the pram being a prop at this point. I think he was just super super tired. Sometimes they just crash.

Good luck on the morning.

[koe2moe]

yeah i was thinking more like 3h15 in bed, too!  He's just been sooo tired.  For once at dinner, he was his usual self, eager to eat and happy. 

this morning, EW at 5:15, bottle back to cot, no crying, but laughing hahaha by 5:40 he's quiet   woke at 7:05  NOT BAD

So I hope to report a longer than 30mins 1st nap

[*Liz*]

FWIW J could do 3-3.5hrs first A at 10 mths. 4 hrs would have been WAY too long.

Looks like you proved OT with that super short A to bed, hey  !

[koe2moe]

yay!  

LizJ, which super short A were u talking about?  3 or 4 Oct?  I'm making a table to show the correlation for quick reference.  How's J doing with his EW?

I got good news!   I got 1st nap 1h40 at 3h20.  DS has been yawning since 2h A.  

ADD:
5 Oct

5:15  wake up, bottle, back to sleep
7:05  wake up A 3h10 in cot 3h20 sleep
10:15  in cot
10:25  S 1h40 
12:05  A  3h25 in cot/3h30 sleep
15:30  in cot
15:35  S  1h10 
16:44  A  2h25 in cot
19:19  in cot

2 good naps!!!  I'm over the moon really!  Thanks so much!  I think the 2nd A should be 10-15 mins longer.  But if his 2nd nap gets too long, it might be too much day sleep.  Of course, he might be just catching up and needs all the sleep he wants now.  I will see in the morning if the short A before bed has any bad effects. 

I think I will be able to sleep tonight  

[sherry lynn]

What wonderful news!!!! I hope you get a great nights sleep  

[*Liz*]

Yey  what a good nap day. Fingers crossed it carries through to the night - but don't be too disheartened if it doesn't. these EWs have gone on for so long there is likely an element of habit in there as well I'm afraid. BUT a good day time routine is definately the way to fix it  .

J's EWs are all settled at the moment *fingers crossed*. Solution for us was to complete the 2-1 transition and he is now on 1 nap only!! He is going to sleep at 7pm and waking at 6-6.30am. Yey!!!

[koe2moe]

WOW seems like it's good news everywhere   I can most definitely sleep well

[koe2moe]

Crying very hard around 11pm but went back to sleep himself.

3:50am wake up... we gave bottle, took a little while to self settle but no crying
6:20 wake up for the day  A


Perhaps last A to bed was too long yesterday?  2h25 only, though... hmmm  or too much day sleep?

Drowsy antihistamine is POWERFUL!  I'm still a bit drowsy now at 9:30am, i took one to sleep last night

[*Liz*]

TBH I doubt there is much wrong with your routine yesterday - just that it will take a bit of time for the OT to work itself out as it has been going on for quite a few weeks now. I'm sure he will need a slightly longer A to bed soon - but I would hold fire on that until the naps are a bit more established.

[koe2moe]

Ok then.  I should try my best to stick with what I've got from yesterday.  But I failed for 1st nap again because I wasn't paying attention to the time!    25mins nap  

Also, would this morning be OT EW?  He didn't sleep well last night.