13 months-EWs...should I try PU/PD?

[~*Nicole*~]

So DD is 13 months tomorrow. B/C of the 2 to 1 transition we run into OT issues and get EWs. Most of the time we can get things sorted after a few days BUT other times the EWs continue. I am not sure if it is ONLY routine related at that point or if it is more habitual? In the latter case, should I try some type of sleep training to get her back to sleep? Or keep tweaking the routine?

Yesterday we had:
6:20-wake up (at my sister's)
11:30-fell asleep in car ride to my mother's
11:45-woke her to go inside hoping to get a long pm nap
2:00-4:00-nap (mom said she fell asleep at 2--might have been later she's been known to fib. but I was there after work and had to wake her at 4:10)
7:30-put into bed, asleep by 8:00 (as per DH since I was at Back to School Night--I hate working full time)

Today so far:
5:20-woke, fell back to sleep in about 5-10 mins.
6:20-woke and stayed awake
my mom put her down for a nap at 12 and the hope is she'll sleep until 2. If she does I'll plan to have her in bed between 6:30 and 7:00

She has continually been waking around 5:20/5:30 and usually will not go back to sleep on her own.

She has also generally only been sleeping about 10.5 hours at night which I know is a bit low and indicative of OT. But trying to squeeze in 2 naps rarely happens as she tends to refuse a CN and I can only get 2 in if she does the short am and long pm which has to be planned for otherwise we try for one midday nap.

I have done w2s once and it seemed to help but then we went right back to the EWs.

[*Liz*]

PU/PD drives J wild - and has done since he was about 9 mths old.

Have you ever used WI/WO? That is better for us.

I would guess it is worth a go if the EWs are habitual, but probably not for 10.5hrs sleep due to OT.

Interested to see what others recommend though.

[~*Nicole*~]

I haven't really tried wi/wo. We've only ever done our own version of pu/pd and haven't been as brief as is recommended, but it used to work for us. I can't APOP her back to sleep as she just chats with me (to me rather as I don't interact back) and tries to squirm down to the ground to go play. So I find that if she escalates to the point of needing intervention...then we're just UP.

The longest night we've gotten in awhile has probably been 11 hrs. Like an 8pm bedtime and 7 am wake up...but most often it's 10.5...or even less

[~inbalance~]

Nicole, we had some success this morning cracking the EWs.  T has been waking 5-5:30 for maybe a week or more, and I was pretty sure it was habitual (but of course I was in the bad habit of feeding at that time too ).  I guess I did wiwo.  Yesterday morning I went in, laid him down and told him to go back to sleep, then left.  Gave him a few minutes and he fussed (but not cried really) and did go back to sleep until almost 7.  This morning he slept right until 6:30.  Now I know what I have to do!  I guess the less I bother with him the faster he learns to go back to sleep.

I realize it's different with Ava, mainly because you don't feed so she doesn't have that reason to wake.  But I think wiwo might work for you.  It would be hard the first day I would imagine, maybe even the second, but she should get the point fairly quickly.  I know T usually 'gets it' after a day or two.  Now for how long, who knows!  He may be up again early tomorrow!   

I doubt PUPD would help, you could try just the PD part (I do that with T sometimes)

[~*Nicole*~]

I might try it if she wakes early tomorrow. Although she went to sleep at 7 tonight...so if she makes it to 6:30 I'd be impressed. So 5:30 or 6 wouldn't be horrible for her at that point. hehee.