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DH and I were wondering when our AG will sleep through the night - wonderig if "tonight will be the night" - well we had our worst night for ages!!! 

Dinner time feed 5.45pm bottle c.60mls EBM
Woke her for last feed (kinda a DF I guess, feed and back to bed no NC) BF - 10 mins and 5mins, LOSEC, 20mls EBM
Woke and cried 12.30am 70lms EBM
Woke and cried 3.45am BF (successful!!! unusual!!!) 10mins a side (amazing best feed in I don't know how long!)
woke and cried 6.05am refused BF - c.30mls EBM
woke and cried 8.05am 50mls EBM

I'm SO tired!  AG is nearly 14 weeks (4weeks prem) and  I'm posting left right and centre - probably driving everyone NUTS - trying to get answers... :-(  I've had some wonderful help so I thought I'd throw this one out there too.  Incidentally awful issues with getting AG to sleep during day too...

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Re: hungry? sick? cranky? habbit? when will she sleep through the night?!
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2009, 02:41:01 am »
Am I just expecting too much of her considering all she's been through...  I just don't know if I should be trying to get her to go back to sleep or just feeding her when she wakes...

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Re: hungry? sick? cranky? habbit? when will she sleep through the night?!
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2009, 04:35:49 am »
I'm sorry it's so hard for you these days.  Sleep deprivation is the worst kind of torture!  Unfortunately, most reflux babes take longer to sleep through the night, as they self-limit feed sizes so as not to be too uncomfortable and therefore need the night calories for longer than non-refluxing babes. 

Hayden was a refluxer, and she only STTN a handful of times before her first birthday.  She went down to one night feed at about 8 weeks or so, but kept that one feed until literally her first birthday.  I tried to eliminate it many times, and could successfully settle her back to sleep without a feed only to have her wake 20 minutes later even angrier that she was still hungry.

She had surgery recently, did she not?  Hayden was hospitalized for a kidney infection when she was 9 months old and it took her a couple weeks to recover from the chaos of the hospital.  She was out of routine, not feeling well, traumatized from the daily poking and prodding, and needed help getting back on track, but first and foremost she honestly needed comfort and familiarity before we could get back on track.  I know this sucks right now, but try not to be too hard on yourself or her.  She is recovering from surgery and suffering from reflux, she likely just needs some patience and understanding.  And you just need some sleep.  Can you get help overnight from your DH since you are feeding her EBM?  If you think her reflux is not under control, are you seeing your paed about it?  Maybe you'll feel more pro-active if you address the things you have some control over and accept the fact that her night sleep is not ideal right now.  I know it's hard not to question all that you do, especially when you worked so hard to get her and now are working so hard at caring for her!

Hugs, this is tough but you will get through it!  :-*
Nicole - Mom to My Lovely Girls


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Re: hungry? sick? cranky? habbit? when will she sleep through the night?!
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2009, 10:13:17 am »
thanks!!! You're so right - I don't want to expect too much of the poor wee tot... my poor button has been through so much it's easy to get distracted and make it all about me but it's not really... DH has been doing middle of the night feeds with EBM since five weeks - BLESS HIM!  I'd be 'Cool Runnings' - "dead mun!" if he wasn't!!! DH took over this am and sent me to the hairdresser!!! I felt so guilty but it was nice to do something for me (first time since AG born) and I do feel a bit better about myself too... nice not to look a total frump!  Well off to bed - here's to a better night's sleep for us all! :-)

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Re: hungry? sick? cranky? habbit? when will she sleep through the night?!
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2009, 13:52:00 pm »
I'm glad you got some 'me' time and had a hair do!!  Your DH sounds very supportive, thank goodness for him.  Do you also have some family support?  We had none, and when Hayden's issues were at their worst I'd fantasize about someone coming to look after her, even for an hour so I could clean my house.  We certainly could have used the help, so make sure if someone offers you take them up on it!

When I read my reply this morning I realized that it may have seemed that I was trivializing your needs and I just wanted you to know that that was absolutely not what I was saying!!!  Sorry if it came off that way.  I remember our experiences with Hayden and being so worried about her health and yet I still half-expected her to be a normal baby in terms of eating and sleeping and beat myself up over it when she wasn't.  In retrospect, I wish I'd not expected as much from either of us and then I would have enjoyed her first year so much more.

When I said you just need sleep, I didn't mean it was 'just' sleep compared to what AG is going through.  I meant more that sleep is such a basic need and you're not even getting that, and that makes life so much more difficult!  I totally feel for you and what you're going through.  I wasn't suggesting that this was 'all about you' at all, I'm so sorry if it sounded like that!  :-*
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Re: hungry? sick? cranky? habbit? when will she sleep through the night?!
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2009, 02:46:53 am »
no worries - you didn't make me feel "trivialised" :-)  You just gave me some good perspective - how sucky you weren't able to get some help when you most needed it!  I hope we are able to "pay it forward" one day for all the help we've had... still we just can't keep up... think I'm gonna have to talk to the post-natal lady from the hospital to get some home help... I wonder if you actually have to be "depressed" to get it or if sleep deprived is enough! :-)  I'd be delusional if i said I wasn't a "risk case" though...  thanks for your encouragement marensmama :-)

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Re: hungry? sick? cranky? habbit? when will she sleep through the night?!
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2009, 03:11:40 am »
Hey sweetie your LO has reflux doesn't she?  Look I think you know my LO still has reflux at 18 months, so my experience has also been a bit on the interesting side (but trust me it's worth it for all the good bits - thankfully xx)...I continued to breastfeed during the night until our LO was about 12 months old.  TBH I don't think he needed it from a nutrition point of view after probably about 8 months (he constantly vomited until 6 months) but the milk calmed him down and soothed his throat when the reflux was bad (usually) which normally allowed me to get him back to sleep....the only real problem with that was he is also incredibly windy and if I don't get it out he would wake every 10-20 minutes or the little eyes would pop open the SECOND he was horizontal...very frustrating when we didn't know what was going on!!!


Sweetie you are absolutely NOT driving anyone nuts by seeking help and advice, that is what we are all here for....HUGS too :)  I don't think you need to be depressed to seek help from your post-natal lady, but I suspect she will refer you to nutritionists or lactation consultants regarding trying some eliminations from your diet (if you haven't already attempted this).  The point is YOU ARE EXHAUSTED and need some more help, and it's a strong person who reaches out for that help.....

We found with our reflux bub sometimes holding him tummy lying across our arm helped ease his reflux (head slightly uphill) and tummy pain.  Nappy free time in the evening was essential in the early days (as soon as he liked having his bum out) and deep floaty baths with one of us in the bath often were soothing as well.  We also found that although he burped easily there was always ALWAYS more trapped down there, and it took a LOT of time to get it out!  I am still having to burp DS now (think I'm getting RSI from all the back rubs I give him)...if I put DS down and his eyes immediately popped open, it was wind.  If he sort of passed out (eyes rolling into the back of his head) in my arms, same thing, wind which had to be moved somehow!!!  I could never understand how mums used the boob to put their bubs to sleep 'cause the minute mine came off it was scream fest - ***!! reflux/wind!!

Our only help really has been medication, DS is on a PPI (which has just been increased post his pH probe and scope) called Zoton...it means the difference between me putting him to sleep in my arms or with a dummy EVERY night and day, to self settling most times.  It means that when he wakes in the night with pain I can actually settle him back down, where as without the med he can scream and scream and I can't help him.  We only got proper help for our LO at 12 months...I regret that I didn't seek help sooner, I regret that my LO had to go through that and I thought I should be able to handle it and my advice to you is don't do what we did.  Get as much help and as much support as you can.  Medicate if  your doctors feel it's appropriate and go back if it doesn't work.  Use whatever you can to help your LO at this stage (props, paci/dummy, yourself) and worry about all the sleep training etc once that nasty pain is under control xx

Big big hugs to you, you sound exhausted and we are here for you when ever you need us
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Re: hungry? sick? cranky? habbit? when will she sleep through the night?!
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2009, 03:51:12 am »
no worries - you didn't make me feel "trivialised" :-)

Whew! :-*

FWIW, there is light at the end of the tunnel.  My DD2 will be 2 years old next month and even though she was my second child, she certainly taught me so much about being a mom, things like compassion and accepting, no, loving the less-than-perfect.  And now, she is a cheeky, beautiful, happy toddler who is med-free, on track with every milestone, and has no remnants of reflux or kidney issues... to think she was so sick that first year and to see her now, you'd never guess she was the same baby!  You guys will get there too, it's just a bumpy road to travel!

Are you in Canada?  We have a reflux program here in BC through our child development centre that came to visit us weekly and provided help with development issues, like physiotherapy for Hayden's 'reflux posture' that prevented her from rolling, moving, self-soothing, etc.  They were also an advocate for us when we needed to change paeds to one who would actually prescribe something beyond Ranitidine when it was so clear that she needed something else.  You may have something there that is similar and can help, especially with the hip (?) issues.

Sending you more hugs!  :-*
Nicole - Mom to My Lovely Girls


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Re: hungry? sick? cranky? habbit? when will she sleep through the night?!
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2009, 01:05:37 am »
Hi girls - for some reason my page wasn't letting me know you'd all replied...  anyway - found your replies now :-) thanks!  I sometime wonder if it's all in my head - if I'm just a bad parent.  AG has silent reflux and so doesn't vomit much and so it's really really hard to tell if she's refluxy or hungry or grumpy or if I screwed someting up...  I always assume when she wakes at night htat she's hungry...  I guess with mostly bottle feeding it's more obvious that she is coz she's been drinking more lately (mind you "more" for her is still way under average 100-125mls at MOTN feed adn 50-80mls at first morning feed plus a tiny, tiny bit of baby food to get her Losec down) so I guess we're doing the right thing by feeding her... ? 

The last two nights have actually been better (once she FINALLY went down after a cluster feeding two nights ago plus DF and then screaming for two hours and refusing to drink more than 20mls before falling asleep exhausted plus DF 45mins later).  Though we've just clocked throug daylight "Savings" ("robbery" is more like it - as if i need to lose another hours sleep!) so maybe that influenced things...

anyway...

cluster feeding
DF 9'30/10pm (early I know but this is OLD time - NEW time it would have been 10.30/11pm)
3.20(ish)am (NEW time) feed 100mls but VERY cranky!
7.30 (NEW time - my brain still thought it was 6.30!!!!) feed and losec and play n/c etc

LAST NIGHT
4.45 - 100mls nice happy EASY cycle
45min nap
two hours of screaming!!!  Despite all attempts and props
DF - 10pm
2.30 - woke feed 125mls
7.20 losec, 60mls


I hope it's not just a blip!!!!

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Re: hungry? sick? cranky? habbit? when will she sleep through the night?!
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2009, 02:36:19 am »
Sweetie, I know how you feel.  I have wondered MANY times if I"m just a useless mother.  Can't get my baby to settle at 18 months, can't get him to sleep properly (thank goodness he eats well).....we have just been through testing him and lo and behold he has significant reflux still, we are not crazy and NEITHER ARE YOU.

Honestly if the losec is not working get back to your paed.  There is only so much you can do with your LOs when they are screaming.  I've just spent the last hour trying to get our LO to sleep and he has been screaming and screaming to the point where I was nearly in tears too...

I feel for you all and hope that things get better for you soon, but if they don't go and get more help/advice and meds if possible
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Re: hungry? sick? cranky? habbit? when will she sleep through the night?!
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2009, 00:49:26 am »
Cranky at feeds and difficulty with sleep indicate to me that she is likely still suffering from the reflux.  Hayden is a spirited/touchy girl, so I often wondered if it was me or if it was her temperament that caused the crying, screaming, food refusal, etc.  But once her reflux was medicated appropriately (unfortunately not until she was 11 months!) she was a totally different baby... in hindsight, all of her touchiness was caused by pain and discomfort, because once it was all gone she became a completely different baby (still touchy/spirited, but in a more fun-loving, interactive way).

I agree with Lizzie, see your paed and hopefully you can get something different in terms of medication.  (We were on Prevacid, another PPI, maybe you could try another and see if you get better results.)

More hugs... :-*
Nicole - Mom to My Lovely Girls