Support Thread for 2 to 1 nap transition cont.

[greenteamomma]

hjrmom01, have you tried giving him a day of 30 mins once in a while just to get the OT monster to get lost for a little while?  I was on 30 min naps at 10 months and then cooled down and went back to 45 until now, 1 week shy of 12 months.  Just a thought. 

I considered the 20 mins but I know he NEEDS those 30 mins.  I just wondered how long to hold on to a 3.5 hrs of A time after a 30 min nap.  Does it really matter?  If he still goes for 2 hrs, just starts later, what's the big deal?  I thought, from lurking that I should just go with it till  he really cuts that pm nap to 1.5 consistently.  Any thoughts?

[hjrmom01]

I haven't gone back to 30 mins but have a feeling I should try! If your nap isn't shortening then just have it later and bedtime will be pushed back...or you can shorten the nap to preserve bedtime. We always just let H sleep up to 2 hrs and had a later bedtime. I'll look and see if I can find his routine from 30 min nap and 3.5 A following

[*Becky*]

Alyssa,
we are going through similar although I don't think my lo is teething...he was doing well on the 20 min am nap, then 3 hours to second nap but the last 2 days he has been fighting both naps. I know he is tired  - he looks it! but it also seems like he needs more A time. Totally confused x

[scucci1979]

It is very confusing. I have noticed that Madi has jumped in A times.  She went from 4hrs to 4hrs and 45 min within three weeks.
We have been having some brief EWs. She does go back to sleep but am not sure if it is because I need to push out her morning A to 5hours or because she is sleeping three hours for her one nap or a little OT.  It is day four where we are on one nap and will see how she does tomorrow. It may be at two nap day tomorrow.

[*Becky*]

Sabs - 3 hours is amazing. Henry would def wake early if he slept that long but then again Madi is a good napper and he is not so I guess we find out these things by trial and error iykwim.
Henry seems to have had an increase in A time. I am not going to get him to take a nap before 4.5 A time in the am it looks like but he still needs 2 naps I think....hmmm. This could take some working out x

[greenteamomma]

So it is safe to say that for a while the second nap will get later and later and this is ok as long as its not too short and then I can cut the first nap to 20 mins? 
Does EW factor in at all???  We are having horrible EW no matter what time he goes to bed so even though he's going to bed a 7:45 (asleep I mean) he's still waking at 5:45 or 6:00.   Its not a long night, too short actually.  I pushed his first nap later so pushed to 4 hrs of A time but he's just so tired by then!  Any ideas as to the cause?

[knock0ut]

Hey ladies - gonna jump in on this thread.  Don't know if I'm being premature, but my DD will be 1 in a couple of weeks and we are possibly heading towards the slippery transition slope!  Having said that, we have never really succeeded at establishing a consistent 2 nap routine so who knows??!  We have some horrible NWs, interspersed with VERY occasional STTNs!  This has been the case since the princess was born - aaagh!  We have an ongoing issue with independent sleep - but we ARE working on it - honest!  Anyway - I'm just coming along for the ride for now and to see what extra problems I will be encountering over the coming months. Yipee!

[rach321]

We have had some progress! He no longer gets a bottle at 5am and after a  few weeks of PD when he first wakes up (usually around 5am) we now have him waking anywhere from 5.30am-6am and he will usually go back to sleep for about 30mins with 1 PD.  He even woke up happy this morning, something we haven't seen in a long time! So we are settled with 3 days of 1 nap (when he's at nursery) and 4 days of 2 naps which seems to be working for the moment.  His first A time is still short (if he's not at nursery) usually about 3.5-4hrs so until that increases I'm going to stick with 3 days of 1 nap and 4 days of 2 naps so we don't get OT.

[*Becky*]

Hi knockout...
wow Rach - that is great news I am really pleased for you.
Sounds like a good plan for the one and two nap days....x
bx

[JaspersMum]

Hi All,

just thought I'd check in!  Good news Rach - what a good feeling when your hard work pays off!

DS has been teething for the past week so we've been getting big time bedtime refusal and EWs of around 6am after a 10-10.5 hour night.  He is on one nap and I haven't done many two nap days as his A time after a 30 minute am nap is like 4.5 hours which totally blows out the day! 

He is definitely OT but the past 2-3 days I've been sticking with an A time in the am of 4.5/4.75 which gives me a 2.5 hour nap and then A time after that is dicey due to the bedtime refusal.  I try bed around 5/5.5 hours but he doesn't sleep til closer to 6pm.  One good thing is he is waking around 6.30am which I can deal with.

My advice to those who jump to one nap - keep bedtime early, don't extend that morning A time too quickly and if you do some two nap days, stick to one long nap and the other very, very short, like 10-20 minutes.

[scucci1979]

Great job Rach! Keep it up!

Rachel: I am stumped to why your lo is giving you bedtime battles. Do you think he is OT by then? Have you tried reducing his one nap by 15min and move bedtime earlier? Then again, I would be afraid of the OT monster. Wish I could help!

After 4 days of one nap(think I should of did three) Madi  had a two nap day yesterday as I think she was getting a little OT. She woke up at 5:30am then again at 6am then again at 7am. Her night was very unsettled. After her two naps, she slept soundly through the night.
 Today is a one nap day for her. 
I do remember reading that it takes a few weeks for los to get used to one nap. Why can't it be easy??

[greenteamomma]

How long was your (all of you) A time after a 30 min nap that indicated it was time to cut the nap to 20 mins?  

Also, I went back to giving my LO a 30 min in the am and then a long pm.  I've never had problems with him having a LONG pm nap but now its broken and his A time is getting longer and longer after that short nap.  What can I do to adjust?

[scucci1979]

After a 30min my lo could managae 3hrs-3.5hours of A time. Once she began to chat herself to sleep at bedtime or had frequent NWs, I cut down to 20min. With 20min she initally managed 2hrs and 40 min, then it gradually increased to 3 hours.
You could try cutting the am nap to 20/25min?

[greenteamomma]

Thanks Sabs!  I just cut his nap to 30 for the last week after stopping for about a month.  I'm so reluctant to do the 20 minute thing!  How did you do it?

[scucci1979]

I don't know how I did it, I just did. LOL. She was not happy when I woke her but she did get used to it. When we do two nap days she still gets upset with me when I give her a 15 min pm CN. 
Leave it at 30min and see if you get any improvements. If not, then I would cut to 20min and shorten his next A time. 
Good luck1