Support Thread for 2 to 1 nap transition cont.

[rach321]

Thanks girls - we are ill again so its all up in the air. Hopefully we will be back on track soon.....there's always something!
Hope the sleep fairy is being kind during this very confusing time!

[Nauvoo]

Jumping on board as well.  My LO is 1 yr. in a week.
Sabs- isn't your LO super cranky for the rest of the day with only 20 minute CN.  Mine's awful with 30 min.

We are in transition. We've had 3 1 nap days so far in the last 2 weeks, 1 of which was actually successful (the day DH was in charge, go figure).

[scucci1979]

I tried the short am/long pm nap but it didn't work for her. I did long am/short pm nap.  Her pm nap kept getting shorter and shorter and yes she was a little cranky but then she got used to it. 

[greenteamomma]

can you post a few routines Sabrina?  We have early wakes here and I think you have late wakes and 12 hour nights right?  blah, I hate early wakes it shortens his short day when he has a short pm nap.  These days his day is either way too short or way too long.  Then we all got the flu here, including my parents who are visiting, not a pretty house right now!  sorry for going on and on.  How is Maddy doing on one nap?  What was your longest stretch of one naps so far?

[scucci1979]

HUGS!  I just read your post.
A typical day would consist of:
wake up at 7:10am
nap 12-3pm
bedtime 7:30pm

We still do the occasional two nap days. She would then take a two hour am nap in the am (11:30-1:30pm)then a 15 CN in the pm( 5-:5:15pm). Bedtime would be around 8pm.
She can do about three days of one nap, followed by two naps.   

I really think your lo is OT. Is there anyway you can push out his first A by 5 min and let him catch up on some sleep? How old is he? After a day or two of catch up, you can extend his A time a little, then cut his am nap again.

I know for us EWs was either OT or UT? It was very difficult to figure out. I would always push out her A out by 10min, which helped with the EWs.  As I said before, the short am/long pm nap never worked for us. It made her very cranky and restless. It caused NWs and  would not take a decent PM nap. She would also wake up earlier the next day. 
Prior to cutting your los naps, how long was he sleeping?

[missnita]

Help me, ladies!

DS is 17 months old, has always been a good night sleeper & napper, but now we've been having nap issues. Back in November we had a few instances where he was fighting two naps & we tried moving to one nap, but he just got waaaay OT, so we worked it out & got him back on track w/ two naps. Then in December he REALLY seemed ready for the transition & for a solid two weeks before Christmas he was down to one 2-3 hour nap, from noon - 2 or 3pm. But he got sick with a nasty cold on Boxing Day & his naps were horrible & all over the place because he couldn't breathe well. Since then we've really been struggling with naps.

Some days he seems to need more A time & won't even consider napping until noon. But then he only sleeps for 1- 1.5 hours :/ Other days he seems super sleepy by around 10 or 11am & he'll take an AM nap & then either a PM nap OR he'll fight the PM nap altogether & be one OT boy by bedtime.

Currently, he has no set wake-time...it's usually between 7:30 & 8:30am. Is this bad? Should we be waking him at the same time every morning? We used to, but DH thought it was cruel, even though his sleep was fantastic. If we do start waking him, we were thinking 7:30am...but at that wake time, I'm wondering if two naps is best OR if one nap is okay & if one nap is fine, how to extend it to be at least 2+ hours consistently?

Btw, he goes to bed between 7:30 & 8pm [totally depending on how well he napped] & usually falls asleep pretty quickly. He wakes once in the evening usually, just for the paci & he rarely wakes in the night, but lately we've had more instances of night wakings.

[scucci1979]

I always did a set wake up time. Usually, I would wake up my lo at 7:10am. If she had a rough night, I would let her sleep until 7:30am.

can you post your routine?

[greenteamomma]

My LO is 12 months.  We are getting earlier and earlier wakes and need to start 20 naps but he's so OT and he wakes so early I don't know where to start!!!!  This morning was 5:15 am.  I know he is OT but its not the only thing going on.  We had my parents visiting all week, we all had an intestinal thing so we took turns caring for him and since he was sick too he wasn't eating much.  Now I think his OT Ew are also hunger as he signed milk as soon as I picked him up where normally he waits till 6:45 (our old routine).  Now, my parents left and we are feeling better.  I need a tweek here please.  Can someone offer some advice pretty please with sugar on top

yesterday was like this:
Wake 5:30 WI/PD/WO did not work
Nap 9:20 or 9:30 he woke after 40 mins so 10:10. 
Nap 1:40 until 3:20 he woke
bed 7:20 but he rolled around till 7:40, seemed like OT

Wake this morning at 5:15
Nap 9:00, letting him sleep as long as he wants to catch up this morning.  I heard him suck his fingers for a while which is sometimes at the beginning of a sleep and sometimes he's not sleeping

 

[missnita]

Okay, I'll use yesterday & today [so far] as examples. Yesterday DS woke up at 7:30am, had sippy of milk, breakfast within 30 minutes, then play time. Around 10am he seemed sleepy, so I did his normal nap routine, put him down & he just lay in his crib & played & babbled for 20 minutes. I got him up, he had more play time, more to eat & he seemed sleepy again at around 11:30am. Put him down, he slept until approx. 1:30pm. We put him to bed at around 7:10 [usually it's 7:30] due to the amount of A time from 1:30.

So today, DS woke up a little before 7:30am. Sippy of milk, breakfast 20-30 minutes later. Then he played with his toys, I played with him...around 9:30-ish he seemed sort of sleepy, so at 9:45 I took him into his room, did his normal nap routine & he slept from then until 11:25 or so. I intend to see if he'll nap again at around 3pm, just a short nap, around 30-45 minutes.

[*Jo*]

Hi ladies, im in need of some help, we have been on a great routine for two months now, however yesterday he refused his PM nap, we even tried taking him for a walk in the pram, he finally fell asleep when we took him for a drive and he slept 20mins in the car. today i accidentally woke him up at his AM nap (we do long AM/short PM) at 45mins, i had no idea what tiem to put him down for a sleep, so hes been up since 11.45am, i tried putting him down at 3pm, he went to bed with no crying, no fussing nothing, its 50mins later and hes been whimpering on andn off , playing, talking ever since. He finally started a real cry so we got him up, so hes been up 4 hours after only a 45min nap!!!! he doesnt even LOOK tired!!

what am I supposed to do??

-update, he didnt go back to sleep at all so we got him up, gave him dinner,bath, quiet play and watchin TV and then bottle and bed at 6.30! thats pretty early considering his bedtime is usually 8pm!!! so from 11.45-6.30/6.45 thats 7 hours on a 45min nap, he was so tired, giving him his bedtime bottle his eyes were watering he just wanted to go to sleep. gosh i really hope this doesnt mean an early wakeup! I hate the thought that OT is making a sneaky little comeback, im trying to fight it off and not really getting anywhere.
I should mention that when we went to give him his bath at 6pm there was a poo in his nappy so im thinking he wouldnt sleep because he had done a poo?? hes really sensitive to that so this couldve just been a oncer or twicer only, will see how tomorrow goes

[JaspersMum]

Greenteamomma, is DS teething?  I've realised that we get EWs when DS is teething.  He may also be getting too much day sleep?  When DS was in the transition I limited day sleep to 2 hours.  That 40 minute nap does look like OT.

Calebsmummy, what's your usual routine?  If he's refusing his pm nap you definitely need a tweak.  If you are doing long am/short pm, you probably have to extend his middle A time.

[*Jo*]

Well our routine is this:

wakeup 7am
nap 1 11-12.30
nap 2 4.15/4.30 -5pm (He is miserable being woken from this nap and often cries for about half an hour)
bedtime 8pm

this is what we've been doing for the past 2.5 months and he sttn without waking once so there's been no need to tweak, I'm just unsure if these last tow days have just been a once off, especially today seeing as I accidentally woke him early from his first nap. I have tried short AM/lo g PM and it just doesn't work, he's miserable all day after a short slep in the AM and he refuses to go to bed earlier in order to have an UT nap

[JaspersMum]

You'll get some crazy days like that Jo before you make the switch to one nap.  You just have to do what you think is best at the time.  Like I said, if you get more of the same, you may have to extend his middle A time by 15m or so, and possibly, eventually, cut your pm nap to something like 20 minutes.  A lot of mums do that right before the switch.

[*Jo*]

Im a bit worried about extending his middle A time though, at the moment its at 4.30pm till 5pm, if i go any later it really does cut it fine before it starts interefering with night sleep, i think he sees it as night sleep and thats why hes so impossible afterwards, yet there really is no way he will do short nap in the morning (as we saw today)

oh it feels like the beginning of bad stuff. how do non BW mothers work all this out?

[Nauvoo]

I suppose this is where we go next.  My LO turns 1 TODAY!!!!  Time flies.  We have just switched from a long am short pm nap routine to a short am long pm nap routine (which is working so much better), so I'm sure we will need tons of advice from you all.  I'm really unsure of what to do in the future when more issues arise as we make our long trek to 1 nap.

Calebsmummy, I thought the same with my LO, that there would be no chance of a 2nd nap with a 45 min. am nap.  And it's true.  But now that we've cut down to 30 minutes am nap things are much better.  My LO doesn't have any problem with the pm nap now.  We switched over to short am long pm naps because we were getting lots of resistance with the pm nap with a long am nap (long as in 1 hr ).  My LO was always really cranky being woken from a 30 min pm nap also but with a 30 minute am nap she is just fine being woken from it.  It is just a much better routine for US.