Support Thread for 2 to 1 nap transition cont.

[Flightmommy]

Wow, ok then...not looking forward to that! Hope your Caleb is doing better now!!

[MomofCharlie]

I think all of this unsettl-ed-ness (I make up words sometimes... sorry) must be due to being ready for the 2-1 switch. My DS2 has been doing the same. Crying before naps and bed time, throwing food during meals, waking early in the morning (it was 4:15 a.m. from Jan 1 to 16th). We're on day 3 of only one nap, working REALLY hard to avoid OT, and so far, so good. Last night he went to bed at 6:15, but slept til 6:40 this morning. Just went down for his ONLY nap ( ) at 10:35, with a few cries thrown in for good luck, I'm hoping he'll sleep til 1:30 so he can plow through til 6:30 tonight. We'll see!

I know exactly what you both mean about the non-BW'ers. I have a few friends who have had babies since I had DS1. I gave them the book as a gift, I believe they thought I was nuts. Last week I visited one of them who had a baby this past November. Her little guy is 10 weeks old, he was lying in the middle of the room on a blanket, his eyes darting around, crying, miserable. She told me "he's always like this. He's never happy, he never sleeps well or for long. WE're up all night, every 45 minutes or so, so I just feed him and he falls back to sleep". I asked her if it was time for his nap. She told me if it was time for his nap, he'd just fall asleep. He had been up for 7.5 hours!!! At 10 weeks old! She thinks that babies just magically fall asleep wherever they are, whenever they feel like it. Poor little guy! Now she's doing CIO, for heaven's sake! Nightmare.

[greenteamomma]

Ah, poor little guy/girl!  When I had my son and he was not showing sleep signs I called a "help" line for moms Healthy Babies or something like that, and told them he never shows signs he's sleepy what do I do.  They told me to WAIT till he does and then he'll go down and if he falls asleep in his jungle gym thingy that was ok!  I didn't know BW then but I knew it was wrong.  There had to be loose guidelines to follow....it didn't make sense.  Then I came across BW!   He's 12 months and I have been with him everyday for everynap shh/patting etc so RIGHT there, and he still doesn't show any signs....good thing I didn't WAIT for a sign....

[londonmama]

Same here with the sleepy signs as a newborn.  He was awake for 13 hours once because my midwives told me that he would sleep when he was tired.  Ummm, no!  He was wide awake and frantic and could not sleep.  I had to pull out all of the tricks to get the poor guy to sleep.  I wonder how bad he would be now if I hadn't found BW!

[*Jo*]

oh ladies, well yesterday we got an hour nap in the morning (i woke him) then we were out all afternoon and he fell asleep for 30mins in the car and had a decent bedtime, all in all it was a good day,however..... 3.50am i hear banging, hes banging on his cot so i wake up DH and i say "he's banging on his cot!!" then 5 mins later the cough/cry starts (if you know the one im talking about, not a cough but not quite a cry) so we wait and then he starts crying so we go to him, i do WI/WO until...wait for it..........5.10am yep nearly an hour and a half, we have gone from NO NW's to a 1.5 hour waking and then he was up at 6.40am. I am wrecked and hes really getting on my nerves!

[gavinsmum1]

Things are really mucky around here.  Jesse put all his skills together and pulled a pm nap refusal for the first time ever.  We were doing this until yesterday.
Wake 6:15 ish
Nap around 10 for 30- 40 minutes (depending on how early his wake-up ws)
nap 2-3:15 ish
bedtime 7:15

Yesterday went like this:
wake- I think it was just before 7, but he may have been up earlier, fallen back asleep and then I noticed he was awake when I was getting up
nap 10:30-11:00  took ages to fall asleep.  Was in bed at 10:00, though.
nap 3:05- 3:40 He refused it in his crib (just learned how to pull himself up, so that was the trick of the day), so I woke up his brother who was due to be up soon anyway and we headed for an APOP nap in the car.  He was not having that nap in his crib.
Bedtime- 7:30 after 30 min of PD.

Awful.  The day before he had had a wonderful 12 hour night and I chickened out on trying one nap.  Last night he was up for two 30 minute stretches at 1 and 5am. Now he's OT and fighting naps and EW!!!!! AHHHHHHH!

Psst, If any of you are perusing the 2-1 for 12 months and under board, I posted this exact same post!! I copied it because I'd put it in the wrong place!!! I'm tired!

[Flightmommy]

Yup, things are mucky for sure!! Today was DS's bday!! Poor little guy was so sick though....he's been battling the stomach flu all week with vomiting and diahrea, but yesterday we had neither so I though maybe we were on the mend.....wrongg!! DS woke this morning at 7:30am, so not a bad night after going to bed at 8:15pm and I found him.....covered in old, dried up vomit!!! yes, that's right...all over his sleeper, blanket, crib and bumper pads...oh, and a full diaper of diahrea (sorry if TMI, but we're all mommies!! lol!!). I don't know when he had actually vomitted, but it must have been hours before....and he never cried!!! I sleep with the monitor on my pillow and i am a really light sleeper, so I know for sure i would have heard him, even if he would have whimpered!! I just can't believe that!! I felt so bad for him...anyways, the day went downhill from there, he was beyond miserable, so i took him to his ped. and turns out he has yet another ear infection and is again on antibiotics!!! What a first day!
  Obviously, under these circumstances, my independent sleeper wants to be rocked to sleep for naps...in the past, he's always gone back to his good sleeping habits when he feels better, so i'm hoping that's the case again this time.

[*Jo*]

Oh Jo, poor little Caleb!!!! what a rough time he is having, i think i have to count myself blessed that at least I dont have THAT to deal with!

we went swimming before and he LOVED it, he is currently having a PM nap (yeah i waited to leave till it was nap time so that he would fall asleep in teh car on the way home, so i stole a nap in that way as he only slept one hour this morning, even after 4.5 hours A time!!) we also took him to a restaurant for the first time ever, he sat in his chair and ate lots of food, he was so well behaved. ive actually had a fantastic day with him

[Nauvoo]

So my LO is at 4hrs A time before her short (30min) am nap.  then she goes 3.5hrs until her pm nap which is usually 1hr15min.  But she is having a hard time settling for her pm nap and it usually ends up being 3.75 hours (and even 4hrs at times) between naps making our day really cramped and extra long.  Should I try for a 20 min nap in the am?  If so should I still continue to push out the first A time until we can get to 4.5hrs?  I've been told once we get here then we can try for 1 nap.  Also once we get to 4.5hrs A time safely, do I try for 1 nap after 4.5 hrs or should I push it out even farther?

[*Jo*]

nauvoo - Caleb can only handle 3 hours A time after a 30-45min nap, perhaps you should try and cut that second nap down to that as it sound like she is struggling, maybe shes getting OT with that one?

Im wonderingh the same thing though about A times, if i have Caleb at 4 horus 15mns A time it makes for nearly a 14 hour day! that cant be good!

[*Jo*]

well both naps he tried refusing today, he pushed his first nap to 4.75 hours a time adn we made it a 30min nap in order to have him tired enough for a PM nap and he still refused his PM nap so we put him in the car and drove till he fell asleep, its funny, we never APOP when he was younger and now we seem to be doing it all the time in order just to make sure he doesnt get OT with all these missed naps hes doing! Im thinking he can only do one nap but what A time?? im really lost, hes all over the show and when he does sleep he sleeps for 1 hour 20- 1 hour 40mins only!!!

[lilisuze]

HELP! Think it is well and truly time for us to be here on the 2-1 switch board! Our routine for about 8 months now has been great, with naps getting a bit shorter so we had a routine like this

Awake 7am
Sleep 11am-12.15
Sleep 3.30-4.30
Bed 6.45

And it was perfect. I have been droning on to anyone who will listen about BW and how great the routine is, how he STTN etc......

Now its is not ok anymore. The last week or 2 its all gone wrong.

Yesterday it was like this
Awake 7.30 (DH's day to get up - think the boys have a conspiracy to sleep in on a sat!)
Sleep 11am-12.15
Sleep 3.30-4.15 (took a while to settle)
Bed 6.45

Today Awake 6.20 (playing in crib til i went to get him at 7.05)
Would not have milk/breakfast anything. Put him back to bed at 7.30- its now 7.50 and he is playing in crib again!

Which means he is only having 3.5hrs A. Its no wonder he is cranky and EW's! But how to stretch A?
How do i stretch and morph into a 1 nap day? I have tried  long am nap/short pm  and the opposite way round, I am wondering if we need a cold turkey 1 napper?

Oh and he has started walking in the last 2 weeks....could this be the problem?

Lili xx

[Nauvoo]

Lili, sounds familiar, and I don't really think there is one answer for routines going wonky.  I truly think it could be various things, walking included.

We are having some weird days also.  We've stretched to 4 hours A in the morning (and I'm sure it'll stretch more) but even with a 30 minute am nap she just takes longer and longer to fall asleep for the pm nap.  It seems to be corresponding with stretching out the morning A time   I just can't get things right. 

[*Jo*]

we are the same Nauvoo, even with a 30min nap yesterday he refused his PM nap so we ended up driving him in the car till he fell asleep and transferring to his bed, had to wake him up at 1 hour or it wouldve been a late bedtime. im so tired, this is waaaay more exhausting than dropping the catnap (i think it is anyway, could be my memory is hazy though!)

[MomofCharlie]

Flightmommy, I feel your pain! For our DS2, it's not the stomach flu but an awful cough, way deep down, with wheezing. He's coughed so much a few times that he has vomited. No fun, especially around birthday time (his was last Wed, with the party yesterday). As Caleb's mom has experienced, our little independent sleeper has also wanted to be rocked to sleep, even for bedtime, which is odd for him. I think being horizontal hurts his new teeth: he cut 3 molars this week!!

We've moved to 1 nap over the past few days, we were quite ready, but I think I may have done it too quickly. Then again, the sickness may have messed it up a bit, too. Today, for example:

wake: 6:15
nap 1: 9:15 to noon
nap 2: seemed exhausted at 3:30, so we tried, with no success
bed: he was absolutely finished, so he went to bed at 6:05.

I'm afraid of what time he'll wake tomorrow. He inevitably also wakes DS1, so then we're all up. Sure hope we're not back to the 4:30 am business...
Allison