Support Thread for 2 to 1 nap transition cont.

[mimi1017]

OMG!! I need a shoulder to cry on. I don't know what happened to my good sleeper. It started a day before her birthday she started increasing her pm A to 4.75 hrs so we were getting bedtime refusal until about 8pm. Then when we sorted that out she wad falling asleep for bedtime with no fuss. During her birthday weekend she had horrible napping and crying to sleep at night which I could understand because maybe of the overstimulation of guests. The week following she slept 2 beautiful naps for my mom from 9-10:20 and 1:30-2:45 so things were back to normal. This was up until last week
Woke 6ish
Naps as mentioned above
Bedtime and asleep by 7:30/7:40

Then daylight savings happened last Saturday so I did w2s at 2 am and got a 7 am wake up (new time) on Sunday and from then on it's been a disaster!
On Sunday she cried and screamed to sleep at 9, 10, and finally sleeping for 40 mins at 10ish by staying with her until asleep. Then she did the same in the afternoon but wouldn't nap at all. I tried an early bedtime of 6 that day and she didn't fall asleep until her usual time of 6:30, but that half hour was hell of her screaming bloody murder which she's never done before.
Now for the rest of the week it's been a battle getting her to nap after 3 hrs A 4, 5, even 6 which she ends up falling asleep in my arms. The moment she enters her room she cries. This all happens during the day, not really at night. So yesterday I thought we had a breakthrough where she woke 6, nap 11-12 and 6:30 bedtime. We were following her cues for the most part and guessing she was ready for 1 nap because of all the resistance.
Well today was a disaster! She would not nap at all, until my dh ytook her to the park to walk a bit and when she came back she couldn't take it anymore that she burrowed her face, I gave her the paci, she cried and started falling asleep on my arms...the moment I tried putting her in the crib she threw a fit, so I let her fall asleep on my arms because I was desperate. That was a 45 min. Nap til 4:10 and she was a mess until bedtime which she fell asleep on her own without a fuss at 6:45.
So I really don't know to get her to sleep in the day anymore without going through this torture ! (and yes she's teething)

[gemma2313]

hi everyone, just wondered if any one was any suggestions... my lo is 13mo and has basically transitioned to 1 nap. We were doing long AM nap and short PM catnap but then he just started refusnig the catnap... even when i went walking with the pram which was always a sure thing. anyway, we had a fwe really rough nights and now he's STTN. 6 nights in a row!!! problem is our 1 nap isnt "in the middle" so i know he's OT when he goes to bed. He shouts out at about 9.30-10pm but just one shout and then back to sleep and now he's started waking earlier and earlier and earlier!! at first he slept 6.30pm to 6.30am (whoohoo!) then it was a 6am wake then 5.45 and this morning he woke at 5.20!!! now don't get me wrong i'm not complaining I'd MUCH rather have a full night to 5.20 then 3 or 4 NW ,.... but is there anything i can do?

At the moment our routine is like this (today was a shocker so I'm wondering if today is going to be an OT catchup day....)
yest
wake 5.30
nap 10.30 - exhausted.. I couldnt keep him up any longer... awake just after 12.30...
bed time was 6.... he messed around for probably 30mins just chatting as he does so i think asleep by 6.45....

today he woke at 5.20
we had to go out in the am and came home at 9.30 - he crashed in the car! grr... when transferred to cot he resettled but woke crying (very unusual) about 40mins later and WOULD NOT go back to sleep... so I've just given him an extra bottle this afternoon (at 2.40pm) and amazingly managed to get him to settle for a second nap... hopefully this will be an okay one but i don't want him to sleep too late....

on a whole.. is 5.30 too early to put him to bed and will it result in 4am ish wake ups? or should i just keep trying to stretch out that A time in the am despite when he wakes?

[Julianne1984]

And that is the line going through all our minds... WHEEEN!!

Only a quicky, things to do, people to see and all that!

Yesterday went fine, 1hr nap, 30min nap, bed at 7pm, no nw's, woke at 5:15, went back to sleep until 6:35am!! Woop!! Going to still have to get 2 naps in unless he has a nap longer than 1hr... which I really doubt!! Gr!!

Hope everyone's day/night is going ok! Xx

[JaspersMum]

That's a great wake up Julianne!!  How have you gone with extending the morning A time?

Gemma and Mimi, have you tried the short am/long pm?

We've had two days of long am.  Yesterday he did really well and had a 45 minute catnap from about 4pm, BUT he was horrid after I woke him though!  He went to bed at 7.30 and was up at 6.30am.  Today we went out all afternoon and he just didn't seem tired at 4pm so I kept him up.  The plan was to get him to bed by 6.30pm but we were a bit late and he was asleep at 6.50pm.  He only started to melt down though at around 6pm so he did 6.5 hrs A time quite well!!  I'm sure it will come back to haunt me though with an EW tomorrow!  I'm actually going to try for 1 nap tomorrow . . only because I have to drop him off at his grandparents at 4pm as they are babysitting him.  Will try to extend his am A time to 4.5 hours at least.

[shresmummy]

Hi ladies, you're right, the big question is WHEN!!! I can't wait. I am so over this. I  will probably make more sense if I go to bed now and read all the posts properly tomorrow. But I just wanted to say hi. And Welcome to Gemma and Mimi. Rachel good luck with your plan.

Today we had a weird sort of day with 1hr refusal before bedtime. She had 1 nap from 12 but she woke up at 1:40 Grrrr. I just hate that cos I never know what to do with the rest of the day. I AP'd a 20 min catnap from 4:50 - 5:10 but I think it stuffed up bedtime. She just wasn't tired enough at 7:!5 when I tried bedtime. Rachel, remember that point Sherry made on the old thread about 2hr A time after 20 min nap? Well my DD wants to make a new rule for herself with everything!! Anyway she finally felll asleep at 8:10.

I'm not optimisitic about tonight

[Julianne1984]

Oh*hugs* I hate going to bed after a rough day... I always expect the worst for the night. Hope it works out ok.

Well, T's A time the last few days in the AM has been 4:45, today since he got up at 6:30, I thought i'd venture out to our first toddler nct group since moving house! It was 10-11:30am. Got home at 11:40 and he went straight to sleep in his cot (5h10m A). I really hope he has a good long nap, he needs it!

Xx

[Julianne1984]

Shhhh... look who's been napping for 71minutes!! What's happened to his 60-minute-on-the-dot bodyclock? I think he wore himself out at nct group lol. Xx

[Julianne1984]

Today:

A 6:30-11:45
S 11:45-13:05
A 13:05-now! It's nearly 6and lo has refused to catnap! He's having his bath and will be in bed around 6:30-6:45, and I bet he's up at 5am!! Gr!!

How's everyone's day been? Xx

[kayra]

well we had a late wake up, 7.30!! not really complaining but it throws the routine off a bit so gets confusing, so
S 11.20-13.05,
tried for a catnap at 16.45 (was aiming for 16.30 but didn't get home in time ), finally settled at 17.05 but only slept 15min.
bottle at 19.15, asleep by 19.30, so not tooo bad, i just hope he decides to make up for the loss of sleep tonight
I hope you get a lie in too Julianna! at what time did you try for a catnap? i find that it needs to be on the earlier side rather than the late side-but it doesn't always work 

[Julianne1984]

7:30,wow, i'd love a wake-up like that!

We tried from 15:30pm onwards, we were out in the car until 17:00 and he didn't nod off at all. That's normally our fail-safe plan! It just didn't work today.

T just woke briefly, because of all the fireworks gr! Hopefully they won't go on too late.xx

[Julianne1984]

He woke at 5am, went straight back to sleep... until my oh came home and woke him up at 5:45! Grrr!! Definitely a two nap day today and a 7pm bedtime. Xx

[JaspersMum]

So we've had a one nap day as planned.  DS actually did really well to extend his first A time - he managed 4.75 and I actually think he might have been able to go longer, but to avoid OT, I put him down at 11am.  He only slept til 12.30 . . I was hoping for at least 2 hours.  Does anyone know what that means?  If we were home tonight I would plan for a 6.15pm bedtime (as wake up was 6.15) but he is with his grandparents so who knows when he'll fall asleep.  I'm also dreading picking him up and bringing him home . . last time he wanted to party all night long!

[Julianne1984]

Hey, hope your evening went well and lo wasn't too OT after going to his Grandmas!!

How is everyone else doing?

Today has been like this:

A 05:45
S 10:20-11:20
S 16:25-16:55
S Well,hopefully bedtime between 7/7:30pm

He fought so much again today to take that pm nap, we tried from 3pm+ eek. I think he's getting so close to needing that one nap, but then he only sleeps 1hr arggh!! Xx

[Julianne1984]

7:30pm bedtime, no NW's, 6am wake-up!!!! Woop! Slowly getting there! xx

[JaspersMum]

That's wonderful news Julianne!!! 

DS went to sleep around 8pm at his grandparents last night.  We woke him to take him home around 10.30ish and he was back to sleep about 1/2 hour later.  No crib parties thankfully!!  We did have an earlier than expected wake up though of 6.10am   

I was very tempted to do a short am/long pm today but couldn't bring myself to wake him.  We did:

Wake up - 6.10am
Nap 1 - 10 - 11.45
Nap 1 - 3.15 - 3.50

He's now in bed and its 7.20 so hopefully he'll be asleep soon.  I figured he wouldn't refuse a pm nap considering he only slept about 10 hours overnight.