Support Thread for 2 to 1 nap transition cont.

[hjrmom01]

Mashi, thanks so much...that was really helpful.  Guess I didn't know the 1 nap is so close!!!  I think our pm nap issue was he wasn't getting enough down time before nap. We were getting home from play groups just in time to get ready for bed.  We've had 2 days in a row (knock on wood!) where he's gone down beautifully 

Henry1: Our routine looks like this
awake between 6am and 7 (usually between 6/6:30) but he happily stays in his crib until 7 when I get him
nap 1 10:10(ish)-10:30 (I wake him)
nap 2 1:30-3:30 (usually have to wake him)
bedtime 7:30

H is 14 months old now and we've been doing the 20 min am nap for 2 weeks now. At 12 months he was teething 4 teeth at once so our routine then really wasn't what most other 12 month olds were doing. After he was done teething I think it was something like
up at 7
nap 1 10-10:30
nap 2 2-3:30/4 (made sure he was up by 4)
bedtime 7/7:30

[kayra]

Hi Becky
DS is 13.5 months, here's our rough routine
Awake 6.45-7
nap 1 10.45/11-12.15/12.30
nap 2 3.30-4.45
bottle 7.15, asleep around 7.30

he seems to swing back and forth with the 2-1 thing, like today i put him down at 10.45 he slept till 13.10!!! which worked out well since we were going to be out in the pm but on a usual day i'd be confused about the pm nap since it's still a long stretch till bed time. one point he was really difficult with the pm naps even after a short am nap, now he's back to 2 decent naps. everchanging

Julianne, my DS doesn't sleep more than 30 min in the pushchair either, i think the longest he's ever done is 45 min-even as a tiny baby. I don't know your history but could the 60min wake up mean OT? with us it generally means OT.

xx
k

[JaspersMum]

Henry1, our routine looks like this (DS is 13 months)

Wake - 6.30am (at the moment!)
Nap 1 - 10.30 - 12
Nap 2 - 4ish for 30-40 minutes
Bed - 7.30pm

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to get that pm nap in though . . as its a busy time of the day with getting dinner ready, etc.  I also find that when DS is taken care of two days a week by his grandmothers they don't bother giving him the pm nap and therefore he is a wreck around 5ish.  The other day we did this:

Wake - 6.30am
Nap 1 - 10.10am - 10.50am (in the car on the way to kindergym)
Nap 2 - 2.10pm - 3.55pm
Bed - would have been 7.30 but we were out late!

Hope that helps.

[Julianne1984]

Well, LO has been getting up at 5-5:30am the last few days He's been sleeping through though, no NW's! Yay! Today I have managed to get him 2.5hrs sleep!

Wake 5:30
Nap 9:10-10:40
Nap 14:50-16:00
Bedtime... well,I guess it'll be 8pm, oops! He woke @30mins (pm nap) and fell asleep on me for another 30mins :| hopefully he'll be ok at bedtime and sleep to a reasonable am time!! xx

[JaspersMum]

Julianne here's hoping your later bedtime and more day sleep gives you a later wake up!

We've had a rough few days with DS being extremely OT from two late nights (gone to bed at 9.30pm/10pm).  He's had only one nap on those days and both have been over 2 hours so he's been refusing the pm nap.  Its been our fault of course - can't really have a social life and expect a happy baby can you? 

Last night he fought bedtime for about an hour - I know he was yelling at me that he was so tired he couldn't relax.  I had to cuddle him to sleep in the end.  Thankfully he slept in this morning til 7.15am!!  So not sure what to do with naps today.  Won't be doing one as I don't want to put him to bed early.  I think I'm going to go with short am/long pm.  Trying to fit a short pm nap in around 4ish is just too difficult for us.  I think we'll try:

Wake - 7.15am
Nap 1 - 10.45am - 11.25am
Nap 2 - 2.40 - 4ish
Bed - 7.30pm

[DawnE]

Hi everyone! With our almost 12 month old we have been getting 1 hour am and pm naps, and lots and lots of NWs, so I'm wondering if I should try and extend the A time before his am nap? Or does someone have another idea?

If he wakes at 7, we aim for:
nap 10-11
nap 2-3
bedtime 7 (but he sometimes often won't fall asleep till 9, so I'm wondering if he's OT?)

Thanks!

[JaspersMum]

Dawn I think extending his A time before his first nap would be a great idea - that is if you want to do a long am nap and a short pm nap.  So you would perhaps give him 3hrs 15m or 3hrs 30 minutes and then let him sleep for about 1 and half hours. 

Wake - 7am
Nap 1 - 10.15 - 11.45
Nap 2 - 3.15 - 4.15
Bed - Depending on how he copes with this last A time, you could try anywhere between 7.15 and 7.45.

OR, if you want to go with short am/long pm, you would keep his morning A time the same, but wake him around the 1 hour or less mark, perhaps at the end of one sleep cycle which is 40 minutes.  You'd then have to play around with his next A time.  For his age it could be 2hrs 30m up to about 3 hours.  For his second nap you could wake him at the 1.5 or 1.75 hour mark and then make bedtime say 3.5 hours from wake up.

[DawnE]

Thanks Rachel. I tried making his am nap 45 min instead of 1 hr today, and it didn't go well. He took 40 min to fall asleep for the pm nap, only slept for 30 min, and wouldn't go back to sleep. So I am trying to figure out if I should try for a long am instead. Thanks so much for the example!

[Julianne1984]

5:30am on the dot... WHY are we back to 5:30am again even after the clock change, aaaaargh!! He wasdoing 6-7am a couple weeks back I don't know what todo anymore.

Think I'm going to try cold turkey again, put him on one nap, it's just the problem of a 5:30 start and long day help!! Xx

[JaspersMum]

Dawn, how much A time did you give him before the pm nap?

Julianne, maybe you should just bite the bullet and do one nap . . I think you'll have to be consistent though so his body clock gets used to it and he slowly starts the lengthen the nap.  If he did a 5.30am wake up, can you do nap at 10.30 and then bed at 5.30pm??  Once that's consistent you can try moving forward your day by 15 minutes every three days or so. 

[Julianne1984]

Yeah I'll have to do that I think. We did that a while back and he got OT, but he now goes without that pm nap sometimes so I'm sure he'll cope... 5:30pm bed was the only time he ever slept 12hrs! x

[shresmummy]

Hi ladies, I've been out of touch for a few days, mainly because we've had nothing new really to add. DD's still teething big time. Canines # 2 and 3 are just about to cut through.

I've been wanting to go on the 1 nap but it's just not happening. Today at childcare she slept for 1.5hr for the AM nap. And then again for 1 hr at home for PM nap. She was just sooooo tired I didn't have the heart to wake her up. what are the chances I pay for being nice with an EW tomorrow??

Julianne, sorry to hear you're back to EWs again I'm wondering whether it's an A time thing now. HE's almost done teething right? Perhaps he's ready to up his A times again?

Dawn, as Rachel said the A time before that PM nap when it's a short AM nap is critical actually. So it might take a bit of working out to get the right one. Good luck with that.

Rachel, how are you going? is DS over the teething now and eating better? IT's so rough isn't it? we are going to have a late night this saturday..i'm not looking forward to sunday !!

[Julianne1984]

Yeah there's nearly no teething signs at the moment... he's sleeping a lot better at night the last week with no nw's. But the ew's are back!

I got him to bed at 6pm tonight so he should get 11.5hrs and be ok to up the A time in the morning and just have one nap

We had a bedtime fight for a little while, until I realised Daddy had left a toy on that had a bright red light on it gr! Xx

[DawnE]

Rachel, we tried for an A time of 2hr45min, but it took him so long to fall asleep, he ended up with a 3.5hr A time. 

I let him sleep for his usual hr for the am nap again this morning because he was up so much last night. Went for a 2hr45min A before the pm nap again, but he didn't fall asleep until he had an A time of 3hr15min. Then took a 1hr8min nap. Any ideas as to whether his 1 hr naps are OT or UT?

[Julianne1984]

Up @ 5:40am, he woke at midnight, but I only needed to stick a dummy in and he went off again. So he had 11.5hrs sleep.

Todays plan;

A 5:40
S 11:00-12:00+
S 18:00... so really he needs more than an hour nap, but realisticly going by his recent naps it could be 1hr minimum... (though 2 days ago he did 1.5hrs!).

I just want to add, I'm not ignoring everyones posts, it's just that I don't even know myself what I'm doing half the time, so definitely don't have any help to give out If I knew what I was doing, Tyler wouldn't have been still waking at 5am 8months on... So please forgive me for appearing to randomly pop up sometimes! hehe xx