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Re: Total bedtime refusal no matter what I try - 2-1 transition, please help!
« Reply #120 on: January 18, 2010, 10:09:21 am »
Oh Boy! We had a baaad nap day today :(

I rushed home from childcare to get her down for her nap. She woke up this morning around 7AM. I tried to put her down since about 12:15 but she only slept at 12:30.

Then woke up at 1:50 and I couldn't resettle her. She wanted to sit down on the floor and kept pointing to the door saying "out".

Funnily enough she didn't have a complete meltdown later on. She was a bit fussy around 5:30PM but I suspect she may have been hungry so when I carried her around for a while she was ok, then ate and was ok.

I did bedtime at 6:30. What's going on with her?? where are my beautiful 2.5hr nap days gone!!?? :)





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Re: Total bedtime refusal no matter what I try - 2-1 transition, please help!
« Reply #121 on: January 18, 2010, 10:37:38 am »
Like Sherry mentioned in a previous post, she could be ready to jump A times . . given she woke at 7am and didn't sleep til 12.30.  Maybe try 5.5 hours A time now.  Unless you suspect she is OT?  Did she wake happy from that nap?

I know DS is OT and as a result he did 1.5 hour nap yesterday and woke crying, but today he did 1hr 50 minute nap and woke happy.  I know that he's still missing a few hours sleep though. 
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« Reply #122 on: January 18, 2010, 11:26:52 am »
Well it was hard to say what her mood was after that 1hr 20 min nap.

She woke up and was holding onto the cot sides calling out for me, seeming unhappy. I went in, tried to resettle her, even tried to carry her and AP back to sleep but she wouldn't have it. She was squirming about wanting to get down and then it was all over.

After a 1hr 20 min nap, I tried bedtime at 6:30 (about 4.5hr after the short nap). She finally only fell asleep close to 6:50ish. She hasn't woken up screaming after 1 hr so that's a good sign right? it's now10:30 PM. keeping my fingers crossed for tonight.





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« Reply #123 on: January 18, 2010, 13:15:49 pm »
I'm curious to hear how the night went.

I'm inclined to think a little UT. Especially given her mood and then not being ready for bed at 4.5 hours A time.

I think next time I would try 12:30.

It's hard to say with her though :(

If the nights keep being rough I think you might have to do some sleep training :( She just really shouldn't be waking that much at night any more, even if the A times are slightly off.
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Re: Total bedtime refusal no matter what I try - 2-1 transition, please help!
« Reply #124 on: January 18, 2010, 22:08:00 pm »
Last night was filled lots of little brief wakes. Crazy!

After going to bed I heard her around 9ish but she put herself back to sleep so I didn't have to do anything :) So I know she can do it.

Then again around 11:30, but I had to comfort her. Then again around 1 or 2, I cant' remember for sure, then 3ish, then finally slept till 6, had a brief wake but I didn't have to do anything, then woke up at 7Am.

This pattern was very similar to last night.

So should I just try naptime at 12:30 although it will be more than 5hr A time then? And how long should I let her sleep for, that is provided she doesn't wake up like yesterday!





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Re: Total bedtime refusal no matter what I try - 2-1 transition, please help!
« Reply #125 on: January 18, 2010, 22:21:18 pm »
I would probably not let her sleep more than 2.5 hours.

I think I would try the later nap. Just because you'll never know if you don't try. I'm a little worried because the night was restless, but it was yesterday also.
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Re: Total bedtime refusal no matter what I try - 2-1 transition, please help!
« Reply #126 on: January 19, 2010, 04:32:21 am »
We had another short nap day :(

I put her down around 12:25, and she fell asleep just before 12:30. I was there though with her.

She slept until just before 2, so in total about 1.5hr. She woke up a bit upset but in a few mins was ok. I just stood back to see if she would settle herself but dont' think she was going back to sleep. I tried to rock her also, but she wouldn't have it like yesterday.  So I gave up in a few mins.

I'm going to try bedtime at 7 tonight, around 5hr after her nap. What do you say?

A though crossed my mind, do you think she's been having shorter naps the past few days because her night have been over 12 hrs, although they are interrupted?

the past few days because of the short naps I've been putting her to bed around 6:30 and she's been waking at 7 Am. But she has been having numerous NWs.

Don't know what to try next. So far she's in a good mood after the short 1.5hr nap.





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Re: Total bedtime refusal no matter what I try - 2-1 transition, please help!
« Reply #127 on: January 19, 2010, 09:53:23 am »
I got her to bed by 6:50, she had a bit of a meltdown around 6PM during her bath when I didn't let her play with the toothpaste!! I don't know whether the meltdown was due to OT or just a tantrum though!!

She was ok after the bath and I took her to bed around 6:50, she only fell asleep around 7:15ish though. She was looking all around, but was quiet.

Pray that I have a good night!!! :) Gosh, it feels like weeks since we've had one. I wonder if we'll ever have on again :(

I have no idea now whether she's OT or UT. If she has another restless night, I"m thinking I should go back to 5hrs A time, and that will be possible because I"m at home tomorrow.





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Re: Total bedtime refusal no matter what I try - 2-1 transition, please help!
« Reply #128 on: January 19, 2010, 10:04:21 am »
Sounds like a good idea to cut back the A time. 

So she's definitely not teething?
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« Reply #129 on: January 19, 2010, 11:34:38 am »
You know I can't say for sure anymore. I suspect this is just more than something to do with the A time issue. I think she may be teething her last 2 canines. She was fussy with food at breakfast and again at dinner today. She didn't really let me take a proper look this evening but I gave her pain meds anyway.

She woke up at 9, then again at 10:15 :( that's 1hr 40 mins after going to bed and again 1hr15 mins after the first NW. Do any of these ring a bell? are they OT signs?

The good news though I guess is she resettled with very minimal comfort from me. Something positive out of today!





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Re: Total bedtime refusal no matter what I try - 2-1 transition, please help!
« Reply #130 on: January 19, 2010, 16:18:59 pm »
I would cut back the A time also :(

My guess would be that she's still teething :( Those canines were very very hard for us.

It has to be either teething, OT, or wanting mommy.
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Re: Total bedtime refusal no matter what I try - 2-1 transition, please help!
« Reply #131 on: January 20, 2010, 09:27:18 am »
So we had a slightly better day today, although the nap wasn't as long as I'd hoped.

wake - 7:20 Am (after another rough night :( :( she kept wanting to be cuddled and comforted)
nap - 12:10 - 1:55ish
bedtime - by 7 she was asleep.

Hoping for a better night..
If she's wanting mummy, sherry do you mean like with SA or, just comforting cuddles or possibly prop issues?





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Re: Total bedtime refusal no matter what I try - 2-1 transition, please help!
« Reply #132 on: January 20, 2010, 09:57:45 am »
We're getting short naps here too Priya.  The first few days I know it was because of OT, but DS had a great night last night (slept 11 hours 40 minutes) so he should have handled around 5 hours A time to his nap, but stupid MIL put him down at 4 hrs and he only slept 1 hour 45 minutes.  My guess is UT but cause I wasn't here I don't know for sure.  I have discovered his first canine coming in though!!  Thought I was going to get a rest for a bit after all the molars came in!

I could be wrong but I've heard SA can hit hard around 18 months?
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« Reply #133 on: January 20, 2010, 13:41:46 pm »
Yes, I know lots of LO who had some issues around 18 months with SA.

But, she's doing ok at nap time right, and ok when being put down, she just seems to need some reassurance at night for some reason :(
Do you have a night light or anything like that in her room that could be disturbing her when she is going in and out of sleep cycles.
Glad to hear yesterday was a little better. I hope the night follows suit. I know you must be tired.
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« Reply #134 on: January 21, 2010, 11:11:36 am »
Last night was much better and so was today, thank goodness! I also managed to get some shut-eye, finally!

Last night - bedtime 7, brief wake around 11:15ish then woke for the day at 6:15 AM. A bit earlier but I'll take a 11hr night happily :)

Nap - 11:45 - 1:30, woke then I resettled then slept 1:40 - 2:20
(fell asleep in the car on the way home, but stayed asleep when I put her in the cot! This has only happened once before!)
Bedtime - took her in at 7:10 she fell asleep around 7:25.

Sherry, she does have a little dim nightlight in the room. I used not to have anything but I found she kept losing her bunny and woke up crying for it all the time. With the little light I find she can sometimes find the bunny in her sleep a bit easier. It's just a very dim light, but do you think that might be disturbing her?