Total bedtime refusal no matter what I try - 2-1 transition, please help!

[shresmummy]

So after she finally fell asleep last night at 8:10 she slept until about 2:40 had a NW, although it was brief and then once I settled her she went back to sleep until 6:30 this AM until she woke on her own.

I hadn't checked your posts until I already put her down for an AM nap. She slept easily at 10:35 and I woke her around 11:20. Aiming for PM nap at 2:30.

So if say tomorrow she wakes up a 6:30 Again then I just keep her up till a nap time around 11 or 11:30 without trying for an AM nap?

Do you think her 10.5hr nights are because of UT at bedtime?

[sherry lynn]

That would be my best guess.
I think if it were me I would try this.
wake
4.75 hours A time
nap
4.75 hours A time bed

[shresmummy]

Hi Sherry and Shiv, hope things are well with you both.

We've had to put our 1 nap success on hold because DD is teething. She's already cut through 2 molars and has 2 canines just ready to cut through. Wow! She has been one moody grumpy LO and I've really had to cut back the A times. I've been following her cues mostly

Currently I've been doing

Wake - between 7
AM nap - 10:30 - 11:20ish
PM nap - 2:30 - 3:45 or 4
bedtime - 7:50

It's been good in one way because she's been falling asleep almost instantly!! We've had a few NWs too but that is expected I suppose.

Tonight however she was back to her old bedtime tricks so I might see if she'll be happy tomorrow and perhaps do 1 nap or still 2 if she's too tired.

[sherry lynn]

That's great that you are being able to read her right now. I always love those periods in time   They seem so few and far between with a spirited one

I hope the teething goes quickly for you.

[Shiv52]

That's great that you are being able to read her right now. I always love those periods in time   They seem so few and far between with a spirited one

Agree!

Hope teething passes and you can get back to your one nap successes!!

[shresmummy]

Hi ladies, I thought I might pick your brains again

So we are still teething and DD is just cranky all the time. I have been sticking to the routine I mentioned before

Wake - between 6:45 - 7
AM nap - 10:30/10:40 - 11:20/11:30ish
PM nap - 2:30 - 4
bedtime - 7:50

The past 2 nights although she's been SOOO cranky when I put her to bed earlier, say around 7:45 she wouldn't fall asleep. She was up to her old tricks.

She seemed so tired but it has backfired on me the past 2 night

Tomorrow should I cut the AM nap a bit more or try for a 1 nap day? She falls asleep really easily for her naps which makes me think she was tired at those times though right? At both naps I have been needing to wake her up usually.

[sherry lynn]

I think the shorter night are making her more tired for the day. But, I still think she is ready for one nap and possibly getting a little bit too much daytime sleep.

She probably doesn't like the later bedtime (especially with DLS) therefore, she is tired, but not really tired enough to go to sleep. Does that make sense?

[shresmummy]

Sherry, that could well be right. She might be guessing it's still bright outside? Specifically for DD we ended up installing a blockout external shutter a few weeks ago. It has made it much easier compared to before but still she might know that it's dark only in her room and not outside

Anyway, I'm back to finding it really hard to reading her tired signs. Because she's just so cranky all the time. I have no idea whether she's tired or just miserable due to teething.

She had a horrible night last night. Bedtime 8:20 despite being so cranky and i tried since about 7:45 Then she had a brief NW around 1:30 and then again around 4:30 where she was screaming for about 5 mins. Maybe teeth?

Anyway I let her sleep till 7:30 Am, then she had and AM nap from 10:40 - about 11:30ish

It's PM nap time now, and she went down around 2:45 I"m going to see if she'll sleep till 4 and then I"ll try an 8PM bedtime.

What do you think?

Despite the teething should I just try a 1 nap day tomorrow?

She's still having about 11 hrs at night, give or take 10 mins. That plus 50 mins for AM nap, and around 1.5hr for PM nap.

[sherry lynn]

It's our call really. If she's teething I understand reluctance to do it. Are you giving teething tablets and pain meds?

[Shiv52]

Its a hard one with the teething but just wanted to add that when we were doing the switch to one nap the reason I just moved to one nap was that A time was key. 

The day you are describing today, if I had let my LO sleep until 4pm there is no way she would have been ready for bed at 8pm.  I think it was better for us when we moved to one nap as my LO was having one good restorative sleep rather than two shorter naps that were just getting her through her next A time.  Hope that makes sense.   She would have been tired at 8pm but not enough to wind down and go to sleep IYKWIM.

Its a tough decision but if I were having the NWs and being cranky I probably would just go for one nap and hope the one long nap will revive her more to feel more rested and then the longer A time will mean she is much tireder for bed.   


{{{hugs}}}  Its hard to know what to do for the best xx

[sherry lynn]

I agree 100%   

[shresmummy]

Thanks so much for your comments They really help to put things in perspective.

Ok, so I think I"m going to try for the 1 nap tomorrow because, like you said, she's been tired enough at around 8 but only ends up falling asleep after 8:30!

I"m just a bit confused about her sleep requirements because even though she fusses so much before falling asleep once she gets to sleep she will keep sleeping if I don't wake her up???!! I"m confused. Same applies to bedtime. She has a few odd NWs the past 2 nights but at 7:20Am she's still sleeping and I have to wake her up and she's not too happy to be woken.. what's that all about?

Yesterday for example:

Wake - 7:20ish AM
AM nap - 10:45 - 11:30ish
PM nap - 2:45 - 4
Bedtime - 8:30 (was cranky at 8 so I took her to bed, but didn't sleep until 8:30!)
NWs - 1:50, 3:30ish and then slept till about 7:15 when I woke her this AM.

Is she unhappy being woken from all her naps? and perhaps is cranky because she's tired but not tired enough to sleep more?

I am hoping moving to 1 nap will solve this problem. Tomorrow I don't know if she'll nap at childcare but if she doesn't I"ll try a 1 nap day with 4h45 mins. Hope for the best!

[sherry lynn]

Good luck

[Shiv52]

Good luck!

I think the switch to one nap should help as she the longer one nap will be more resting that the two shorter naps and that should help.  Once she's settled into one nap it'll be easier to judge her sleep requirements for day and night. 

[shresmummy]

so my 1 nap plan didn't work out today either

She had a 1.5hr AM nap at childcare today!! They said she was really tired. Anyway here was our routine:

Wake - 7 AM (had to wake her)
AM nap - 10ish - 11:25ish
PM nap - 2:45 - 4!! (I unfortunately fell alseep while she was napping and jumped up at 4 to wake her!)
Bedtime - 8:15

Now she did seem more tired today than normal and didn't fuss too much at bedtime despite the longish PM nap also. Which is surprising?

But if I get an EW tomorrow that would be becuase she had way too much sleep today right?