Total bedtime refusal no matter what I try - 2-1 transition, please help!

[shresmummy]

Well on those naps from yesterday the night was still just average. She had a few brief wakings at her usual times at night around 12:30ish, then again around 3something and again around 5:30 Am. But she slept until 7:45 AM this morning.

Today's naps were a bit wonky because we had to go to MILs for lunch. I just wish there was some consitency!! I find that since she started childcare on mon and tue it's just a mess, either they let her sleep too long or at the wrong times. But I dont' want to start making too much of a fuss because as far as I"m concerned on those days if she's sleeping then she's not unhappy at childcare! Whenever she's awake apparently she keeps asking for me poor thing.

Anyway,  - todays routine:

Wake - 7:45
AM nap - 11:55 - 1:15ish (she went down very easily but I didn't limit her nap today because I knew we wouldn't be able to get back home in time for her PM nap)

PM nap - this is where I ran into problems. I was hoping she would sleep longer than 1hr 20 mins in Am but she didn't. But then again around 3:30 was cranky so I tried to AP for a quick catnap. She slept around 4 only. I know it was asking to much with such a short A time, but she was cranky and I knew she couldn't last till even an early bedtime. Anyway she slept 4 - 4:30ish then I got her in bed around 7:30ish.

She fell asleep at bedtime quite easily today. She was just very moody and cried heaps after bath around 7ish which is very unsual? I hope she wasn't OT.

Wonder how tonight will go.

Oh and Sherry, I am pretty sure I am a prop now. But I"m going to try and work on weaning her off that soon because I'm going to move her to another room. So I figured I might as well wait until she's settled in the new room and then try the gradual withdrawal method. She moves to the new room in a few weeks.

It's still early days but I thought I'd let you both know that I"m 7 weeks pregnant now Hence the reason for the move.

Well I hope she wasn't OT tonight before falling asleep. Keeping fingers crossed for a better night.

[JaspersMum]

Congratulations Priya!!    That's awesome news!

[sherry lynn]

Congratulations!!!!  What exciting news.

It sounds like teething or getting sick to me.
To have her be so cranky after a 1h20m morning nap by 3ish hours seems like something is off.

And then again to be crying at 7. Just a thought. But, that's what I would guess.

Did the pair of the other tooth come in yet?

Good luck on the night.

[Shiv52]

Wonderful news!!! 

Hope LO sleeps well tonight xx

[shresmummy]

Thanks ladies! It's very sweet of you

Well Sherry I think you might be right about the teething. That other pair came through, but think she's getting some more on the bottom. We didnt' have a good night last night

Bedtime 7:50, woke up crying at 8:50 then 10:50, and kept crying and eventually to get some sleep for both of us I brought her into bed with me! Anyway she woke again around 1 and 3 and finally we had a EW at 6:10

She was happy when she woke though? what the??

Anyway today this was our routine:

Wake - 6:10
Am nap - 10:10 - 11:10 (at childcare)
PM nap - 2:40 - 4:10 (at home, but woke up crying??)
Bedtime - was tired and really cranky by 7:45 so I took her to bed. She started falling asleep around 8 then kept waking up every 2 minutes crying and did that until 8:20

I don't think we're going to have a good night, again!! Sigh

You don't think she was OT by 8PM was she? Must be the pain bothering her right? it turned out to be a 14 hr day also! Geez.

[sherry lynn]

Pain would definately be my guess.

If she woke a lot last night I hope your tired mommy brain thought to give her meds. I hate when I wake after a bad night and go. WHY oh WHY didn't I give meds. But, we're only human and at 2 am we aren't always thinking straight. I hope the night turned out better than you hoped.

[shresmummy]

Yes I was so out of it but I did keep a bottle of meds near  my bed and gave them to her around 1:30.

She had similar NWs to the night before (i.e. LOTS!!). Must be teething related.

Today she woke up at 6:45 AM. After an 8:30 Bedtime would that be considered an EW? I was thinking no because she did have nearly 2.5hr sleep during the day yesterday.

Today she was a lot happier and this was our routine:

Wake - 6:45
AM nap - 10:30 - 11:20 (at childcare)
PM nap - 3 - 4 (I woke her at 4. I tried to put her down around 2:40 but she only slept at 3)
Bedtime - after a 1hr PM nap I thought I'd try around 7:50 but she slept only around 8:20 But at least she didn't cry like last night!

Tomorrow even if she just has a 1hr PM nap should I just try an 8:15 bedtime anyway and not bother with 7:45 or 8? But I"m scared that if I take her to bed only around 8:20 then she might still take 30 mins and only end up falling asleep at nearly 9pm !!! Yikes!

[sherry lynn]

The bedtime question is quite hard. Especially if she is teething. With that short of a nap I think I would have been inclined to put her to bed around the same time you did. Neither nap was a complete nap so you don't want the day to get too long. Like you said at least she didn't cry.
I hope the night went ok for you.
Looking at days like today I'm really thinking you need to cut that morning nap. Is there anyway they would be willing to wake her earlier. It's not leaving enough time in the day to have at least one good nap. But, at least she was happy today. That's a good sign.

[shresmummy]

Hi Sherry, I am planning to chat to them about waking her up after the AM nap at childcare.

And you're right, the day is just not long enough to have a good nap. But actually I have been finding that even after I do a 40 min AMnap which I did yesterday.

But no matter what I do the NWs still continue. And I don't know for sure if she's teething anymore. She's been pretty cheerful during the day, not whingy like last time and she's not really gone off her food and milk either.

She wakes up at around the same times in the night, 10:50 - 11:30 anytime, then around 1:30ish then she's up again around 4 something or sometimes 6 Am. Then she usually sleeps until about 7ish. It's such an interrupted night!

Today she only woke up around 7:45 and so did I actually because this last week  has really taken it's toll on me! But that sort of stuffed up our day also.

I just tried a 30 min Am nap today.

Wake - 7:45
Am nap - 11:30ish - 12
PM nap - 2:50 - 4:10
Bedtime - was really cranky and tired around 7:50 so I took her to bed but her usual tricks and only fell asleep at 8:20. Which would have been fine if I could have taken her to bed then! But she was so cranky and kept asking for her bunny.

I really think that PM nap needs to be earlier but I just don't know how to get around that. Perhaps do you think it's time for a 20 min AM nap? But I don't want to rush it either.

I thought after a 30 min AM nap today she might be ready for the PM nap earlier, and in fact she did seem tired around 2:30ish so I took her to sleep. But she only fell asleep around 2:50 nearly 3!!

I am a bit frustrated that she seems tired and cranky so I take her to nap or bed but then she takes 30 mins to sleep!! Grrr.. And nothing helps the NWs either

[sherry lynn]

I think the fact that she can do quite a pit of A time after a 30 min nap tells you something.
I would limit it to that at the most at least for a little while. I wouldn't just jump to the 20 min nap because she will get OT.
I would see how it goes on the 30 min nap. It might be good for her. Remember if she had a normal day that nap would have been done quite a bit earlier.
Maybe something like this
wake
3.25-3.5 hours A time
30 min nap
3.25 hours A time
1.5 hour nap (no more!!)
3.5 hours A time? Maybe as much as 4 hours.

[shresmummy]

So I don't know whether this had anything to do with her day naps yesterday but she basically STTN last night!!

She went to bed finally around 8:20 woke up crying around 10:30 but all I had to do was give her her bunny and just patted her a couple of times she went back to sleep. I heard her cry out a few times up until around 11 but I didn't have to do anything.

Then she woke up around 6:40 AM. Now would you call that an EW? Initially she was a bit cranky so I brought her to cuddle with me until around 7. I don't think she slept but she was very quiet. Then she started chatting around 7:00 and was bright and alert.

This morning I put her down for a nap around 10:10. Should I still let her sleep only for 30 mins or more this morning?

[sherry lynn]

Personally, I think it had everything to do with the naps. But, I might just be biased because I've been trying to get you do to this routine for a few months now

And, again I don't think that is an EW, but that's just because of my own experience. I'm sure others would say yes, it is. But, I'm pretty convinced she's been getting more than enough sleep lately. I think she woke a little earlier than normal because she had a more restful night. It is very very common for night sleep to take a dip during the 2-1. Then when she finally makes it to 1 nap she should increase her night sleep again to 11-12 hours.

To me 6:40 is a wonderful waking, and I would more then def. do the same thing I did yesterday to try and get a repeat good night. But, see how she does with the A time and how you are feeling about everything.   Good luck.

[JaspersMum]

Good to hear things are settling again Priya.  Looks like you are on to something with the 30 minute nap.

[shresmummy]

Hi ladies, so today was a pretty good day overall. And guess what??? she went to bed for the first time in as long as I can remember in 10 minutes!!! Wow!

Although I did slightly change the morning nap a bit today. She was up at 6:40, as I had mentioned, and Sherry I also agree that it is a great wake up! I was just worried that because it was just about 10hr night time sleep that it might be OT. But you put my mind at ease

She was really very cranky around 10 Am so I let her sleep for 45 mins this morning. Now I hope I haven't messed everything up!!!

Anyway here was our routine today:

Wake - 6:40
Am nap - 10:15 - 11 (I woke her up)
PM nap - 2:20ish - 3:50
Bedtime - 7:45 (I took her in at 7:35 and no monkey business, we did the usual winddown and she was asleep in minutes)

Now if I could just get a repeat of last night I would be one happy mummy

what I have thought is that if she wakes up before 7 I do a 45 min AM nap and if she wakes after 7 do a 30 min AM nap and try and keep the PM nap around 2:15ish.

I wonder whether the fact that the PM nap finished around 3:45 and not after 4 as it usually has been made a difference at bedtime today??

[sherry lynn]

That looks great. I think that is a good idea about the naps. I think the around 2 for the second nap is a good idea.

I think you are probably on to something about when the nap ended. I found the same thing, but when Lyle was around that age I had trouble regulating when it ended also. I didn't want to interrupt a good nap

I so hope you get a repeat  

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