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Caring for a Spirited-Grumpy
« on: November 09, 2009, 02:56:04 am »
Hello All,

This is my first post, so I'll offer up some background.  ((sorry for how long this is))
I have a 3½ year old named Mia.  She was an Angel/Textbook as a baby and still is.  We did EASY with her.... almost before I even knew what EASY was!  She's a very mild-mannered, easy-going kid.  Fairly shy, but extremely bright as she is already starting to "build words" and spell.  I thought that she was a super easy baby to parent and often kidded that if I could have 5 of her, I'd take 'em.  I thought I had "the touch".

In early October, I quit my part-time job, removed Mia from daycare and began doing daycare for the daughter of my friends from church.  Tahlia is 8½ months old and is definitely as spirited-grumpy and WOW am I humbled!  I no longer think I have "the touch".  As a bit of background, she is able to roll (everywhere) and is army-crawling, but she will not follow me.

I do generally subscribe to EASY with her here at home (it just seems natural to me)


ACTIVITY:  I honed in on her temperament within the first few weeks..... at first, I thought she had a raging case of separation anxiety, but then I realized it was her temperament.  She begins fussing within 5 minutes of her mother dropping her off.  She cannot be settled unless she happens to be hungry enough to eat.... holding her doesn't help, nor does play or the jumperoo or with Mia.  Many times, I have to put her into the crib in a fairly dimly lit nursery to get her to calm down.  In fact, sleeping is just about the only time she is NOT fussy.  She's not teething (that's a different cry--went thru that right as she started with me).
If she's awake, she pretty much demands to be held/cuddled or she will fuss until she is all-out screaming. I can MAYBE get her to play for 20 minutes at a time, twice a day, maybe 3x.  
If she gets into something she shouldn't, she screams at me if *I* take it away from her, but she doesn't seem to care if Mia takes it away--so, consequently, I find myself asking Mia to "get that fuzzy out of Tahlia's hands".
And that leads me to this:  She HATES TOYS.  ... at least the ones appropriate to her age.  She wants Mia's toys or something that is not appropriate for her safety (my watch, a comb, a metal fork, paper, etc.)

EATING:  I used to feed her in the high chair, but she fussed constantly.  So, I moved her to the Bumbo sitting on the counter (yes, she is safe as she's 17 lbs and does not have the strength to topple).  If I am preparing her meal and she's not in the Bumbo, WWIII breaks out.  She either bucks backward, wildly flings her head left or right or fusses when she's getting baby food (oddly, all this while mouth open for food and making "num num" sounds when she has a bite.  For her bottle, she will not hold still to receive her bottle and will get mad if I try to keep her from rolling while giving her bottle.  I can no longer allow her to just give herself a bottle as she will roll within 15 seconds of starting.... and with a level 3 nipple, that leaves the bottle leaking on the floor and her screaming that she's not being fed.

She has pretty much demanded she has a pacifier all the time, but will usually fuss (to a slightly lesser degree) even with it in her mouth.  I understand spirited's have a strong need to suck all the time, but I know her parents do not want her to have a strong dependence on the binky as she gets closer to age 1.  If she looses her binky and I approach her to give it to her, she gets mad if I do not pick her up.

SLEEPING:  When it's time for nap, she usually does go to bed easily, which I understand is not usually characteristic of a spirited baby.  However, she's extremely sensitive to sound, so the doorbell, telephone or door slamming will cause instant screaming.... this, despite her door being closed and me living in a fairly quiet, 8 year old home.  But, when she wakes up, she usually screams bloody murder... and that's pretty much from the second she wakes up!  And when I go in to get her, she doesn't become happy to see me (as Mia did), she screams louder, as if to say, "It's about f'ing time you get here.  Could you not hear that I've been crying my f'ing eyes out for the last 5 minutes?"

OUTINGS:  Generally, she likes car rides and errands.  But I can't do that all-day, nor every day... especially since I live in the northern plains and it will soon be less-than-easy to get out.  She will often fall asleep in the car, but only if it's near nap time.  She will not, however, fall asleep while in the carrier, say at Target.


Her parents fully realize she's spirited and I think they do tend to cater to it (so as to minimize the outbursts).... using a Baby Bjorn or holding her a lot at home, or sleeping with her if she wakes up overnight and will not talk herself to sleep.  Her mom has said to me at least 3 times, "if you ever need a break or if she's too much, please call me, or let me know if you need a day or two off."  Well, she's a teacher, so it's not like leaving work is easy for her.  And generally, having Tahlia spend 20-30 minutes in the crib gives her a chance to chill out and me a break...   Their working hours provide that she gets less than 1 waking hour with them in the morning, and only 2-3 hours in the evening.... so part of me thinks she's just not getting enough mommy-daddy time (though, that will be lengthened soon as her mother's stint as the high school volleyball coach will be over by next weekend).

Here's my dilemma:  I am her daycare provider, not her parent.  As her care-giver, I do not think it is appropriate to engage in baby-wearing or constant holding ... I believe that is the job of the parent.  I also do not want to send the message to Mia that Tahlia gets more of my attention because she fusses more.  I have already started to notice Mia whining and fussing more since Tahlia joined us.

So, what do I do?  I can't just keep her upstairs in the crib.... she sleeps too much and that's just not fair.  But on the other hand, if she's downstairs, during her awake time, she fusses for at least half of the time.  I know she's going to soon give up that morning nap, which means a longer awake time and more fussing.  I do not want to give up on caring for her as she is a sweet baby when she isn't fussing.  But the fussing!!!


Can someone point me to a resource (book, website, or even a thread) that has specific tips for caregivers?  Like I said, I just cannot do baby-wearing or hold her as much as she wants to be held.

Thank you!
Melissa
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Re: Caring for a Spirited-Grumpy
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 03:17:39 am »
Hi Melissa :)

Wow, do you ever have your hands full!  Big (((hugs))), you must be exhausted by the end of the day!

I'm mostly bumping this for you, as I have no experience with a grumpy baby. My ds is very spirited though, so I'll try to give you a few ideas, but hopefully some other moms or caregivers can jump in too!

She HATES TOYS.  ... at least the ones appropriate to her age.  She wants Mia's toys or something that is not appropriate for her safety (my watch, a comb, a metal fork, paper, etc.)
I wonder if this is a spirited thing, as my ds goes through phases of this too. Could you offer her some safe non-toys? I have a lower cupboard in my kitchen that's full of different sizes of Tupperware, wooden spoons, mixing bowls and measuring cups, etc. so ds can get into it, pull out whatever he wants, make a big mess, and it's safe :) Even before he could crawl, I would just open the door and sit him in front of it. I've also given him an old remote control (clean, no batteries), my old cell phone, empty water bottles (he loves the crinkly noise they make), etc.  I've had to get creative, but those things seem to work!

 
For her bottle, she will not hold still to receive her bottle and will get mad if I try to keep her from rolling while giving her bottle.  I can no longer allow her to just give herself a bottle as she will roll within 15 seconds of starting.... and with a level 3 nipple, that leaves the bottle leaking on the floor and her screaming that she's not being fed.
we had the same problem when we introduced the bottle to ds - the fast flow nipple would just leak everywhere :( Dont know if this helps (though you might be able to get her mom on board) but we switched to a variable flow (aka y cut) nipple. Milk only flows when it's sucked on - no mess! We also use the playtex bottles with collapsible liners. They create a vacuum so there's always milk in the nipple, so the bottle doesn't need to be held in the correct position.  Ds can even drink while crawling!

However, she's extremely sensitive to sound, so the doorbell, telephone or door slamming will cause instant screaming.... this, despite her door being closed and me living in a fairly quiet, 8 year old home.
Have you tried music or white noise to dull outside sounds? Even a fan could help.

As her care-giver, I do not think it is appropriate to engage in baby-wearing or constant holding ... I believe that is the job of the parent.
I agree with you to a point... Especially with your own daughter to care for and chores to be done, constant holding is not realistic. However, if you have a sling or carrier, why not use it during some of her A time? While you're preparing lunch, or sweeping up, or reading Mia a story? At ds' daycare there are 10 babies ranging in age from 7 weeks to 15mo with 3 carers. At any given time one of them has a baby in a carrier, as they are fussy/whiney/want to be held/etc. but other babies are needing attention also.  So although I agree that baby wearing really is a parental thing, there's no reason why you couldn't use a carrier as a tool to make your life easier when she's really fussing.

Wow, this was longer than I thought it would be! I hope something in here is helpful :)
Vikki :)
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Re: Caring for a Spirited-Grumpy
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 03:37:25 am »
Hi Melissa,

{{{hugs}}} Reading your post reminded me of what our daycare provider told me recently about the days Spencer would be coming in when she was smaller...they would all look at each other and say "what are we going to do with her???"  (of course this was my thought every day when I got out of bed  ;D)

I don't think Spencer has ever played with age appropriate toys, loves things like cardboard boxes, the phone, tupperware. We have locks on all our cupboards except where the plastic stuff is stored so she can help herself. Spencer was a whiny/fussy kid, always wanting me, until she really learned to scoot and then walk...she's a much happier kid now.

Does she have any type of lovey? Spencer never liked a soother, but has her blanky that goes everywhere with her. It's great comfort to her when she is at daycare.

I second the white noise...we use a fan in each of our kids rooms to block out house noise.

Oh, and just an idea, do you have a playpen? Our daycare used to put Spencer in one in the corner of the room so she'd think she was by herself and calmly play, but they could still keep an eye on her.

HTH
Heidi
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Re: Caring for a Spirited-Grumpy
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2009, 18:27:14 pm »
Yes the book you should read is "Raising Your Spirited Child" which covers spirited, grumpy and touchy los!

I know you say she is army crawling but perhaps when she is crawling on all fours or walking she will be happier, my dd is a strong willed spirited and she was a different child once she was able to move 100mph! I think the not liking toys goes with the territory of spirited babies, they seem work them out very quickly, get bored and rather play with that gadget you light the cooker with or has all the buttons  and a nice, slidey cover  :P

Oh yes and maybe pop on here for some advice:

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=154886.0
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