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Why won't he eat at end of day?
« on: December 26, 2009, 17:07:33 pm »
My lo is 8 weeks old today.  He is my third and I am frustrated by what he is doing at the end of the day.  Here is our feeding routine:

6:30 E

9:30 E

12:15 E

3:15 E

5:50 E bath then directly to bed by 6:30.

I had been then adding a cluster feed with expressed breastmilk at 7:30, but begun tapering that off on 12/21 b/c it was causing him not to take the df at 10:00.  So, last night I was at the point where I was adding one ounce to the first two am feeds and then one ounce to the 5:50 feed and another ounce after bath.  I add the ounces by expressing breastmilk and feeding it to him in a bottle after he nurses.  The problem is that sometimes at 5:50 he refuses to eat.  When I was doing the cluster at 7:30 he was taking 4 ounces and that's only about an hour an half after he just ate so I can tell nothing is going in at 5:50 (or very little).  What do I do?  Last night, he woke at 9:30 and I had to give the df early (usually at 10).  Why is he not eating at 5:50????  I want to get rid of this clusterfeed b/c it gets in the way of the df and because BW says to not continue it past 8 weeks.  In addition, he is a big baby.  He weighed 9 pounds 1.5 ounces at birth and has continued gaining steadily.  He is wearing 3 month clothes.

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Re: Why won't he eat at end of day?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2009, 01:56:32 am »
(((hugs))) and bumping for you :-*

my only thought is maybe OT?  Could you post your whole EASY routine including As and naps? My ds sometimes refused to feed when he was really OT.
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Re: Why won't he eat at end of day?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2009, 15:53:34 pm »
If this kid is OT, oh boy.  Here's the routine:

6:30 wake (I change him out of his pjs and wash his bottom before feeding him because he is also reluctant to eat in the a.m. too.  So he eats at about 6:50.)

7:30 S (or sometimes as early as 7:20) he appears tired and goes for nap.  This nap is usually not a problem.

9:30 E (usually tired by 10:15, but sometimes as early as 10)

10:15 S (usually cries going down for this nap and cries again around 11:30, but goes back to sleep on his own)

12:15 E

1:00 S (sometimes a little bit later, but not usually.  This nap is problematic.  He cries hard going down then wakes around 2:30 and has trouble getting back to sleep.  Because my other two are napping at this point, I sit with him and put his thumb in his mouth.  He goes back to sleep.  We use this as "thumb sucking" practice b/c I like them to suck their thumbs.)

3:15 E

4:00 S (not usually any later than this.  He cries going down and cries again around 5, but gets back to sleep on own.  At 5:30, he cries again and I give him a paci while I prepare things for bedtime.  He goes back to sleep until E usually or just is quite sucking his paci and sort of dozing in and out, but he is in a room on his own that is calm and quiet.  My girls are not jumping around him.)

5:50 E (this is when he refuses to eat - I did an experiment and pumped so I could give him a bottle.  I confirmed he refuses to eat, but then last night I got him to consume the entire 4 ounces and he still woke at 9:30 before the df at 10.)  After the df, he then wakes at around 1:00 and then again at 3 (only 2 hours!).  And sometimes he even early wakes at 5:00, but I give him a paci to get him to keep sleeping until 6:30.  He is barely awake all day!  I am annoyed.  :)

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Re: Why won't he eat at end of day?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2009, 01:51:35 am »
Ok, you're right, OT looks like it might be off the table...  That's a whole lot of sleep for an 8 week old!!  Looking at your routine, I think it may be time to start extending A times.  Typical A time for a 2mo old is 1h15-20m (from http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64158.msg476652#msg476652) and your ds is only doing around 45m.  Have you tried slowly pushing A times out?  If he's a sleepy guy (and he seems to be ;)) your best bet might be to just extend by 5m every couple days.  You could do a longer wind down (just stretch everything that little bit) and he likely won't even notice that he's staying awake for longer.  You may find that your nap difficulties as the day goes on are actually due to UT - he's fighting the nap because he's not tired enough!  Too-short A times and too much day sleep can also cause your NWs.  When they don't get enough A time during the day they make up for it at night.  What do you think?

Unfortunately, other than routine tweaking, I can't think of any other reasons for that nighttime feed refusal.  I'll try to get some more eyes on this for you though :)
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Re: Why won't he eat at end of day?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2009, 02:35:45 am »
Yes, I really think he isn't awake enough in the day, but I see that he is tired and I get scared to not put him down directly for nap.  Also, some days he can do one hour of A time at one period and another day it'll only be 30 minutes so it is hard for me to know what extending it by 5 minutes means.  Should I set a goal of, for example, one hour of A time during each awake period or do I see that he is tired at the 30 minute mark and then add five minutes to that?  I definitely think this is an issue.  My middle daughter did this too and when I finally got her A times up she did so much better at night and no more EW.  As for the night feed, I cannot figure out for the life of me what is up.  Tonight I did the pumping and bottle thing again and he tried to only take one ounce and he was even fighting that one ounce!  It's unreal and sooooo frustrating.

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Re: Why won't he eat at end of day?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2009, 19:31:08 pm »
some days he can do one hour of A time at one period and another day it'll only be 30 minutes so it is hard for me to know what extending it by 5 minutes means.
That does make routine tweaking a bit more difficult.  It might be worth a post over on the EASY forum actually, as I'm sure many moms have encountered this before.  Does he have any 'general' patterns?  Like he's generally awake for 30-45m for his first A, but then 45m-1h for the second, etc.  You don't want to stretch A times too quickly (that can lead to OT even when they're ready for more A as they're not ready for the sudden change) but if you notice patterns that's a good starting point and you can begin stretching from there with longer wind downs and low key activities.  I would definitely post on EASY as you would get so much help over there! :-*
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Re: Why won't he eat at end of day?
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 23:19:06 pm »
Vikki promised extra eyes and I think they're meant to be mine  :-[ - but I just can't think of anything other than that he's just not hungry enough for the feed at that time. Which doesn't help you right now.

I'm going to think on this some more, okay? Back tomorrow.  :)

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