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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2010, 14:56:22 pm »
Can I ask why you gave pain meds before bed? Did he definitely seem to need them? I'm not a fan of giving Tylenol unless REALLY needed (don't want to start a debate - PM me if you want my thoughts).

If you can't find chamomile oil, clove oil works really well too (again just couple drops mixed with the castor oil) but is very strong smell. Myrrh would be an option too. My DS has SUPER sensitive skin but has no problem when I use this on him. I did it a few times on Wednesday and once yesterday. Now it's not bothering him so I'll hold off until he needs it again. If warranted, I'll do it up to every two hours.

My DS acts like that sometimes at bedtime too. He'll often fight bedtime until his "usual" time - or close to it, even if he napped less that day. And he often flips over to see if I'm there. When he acts like this I rub his head and/or back/tush until he's pretty calm but not asleep and leave the room. Rinse and repeat if needed!

He might also have lower sleep needs - my DS sure does! He napped all of two hours during the day yesterday (from 9:45-10:45 and then from 1:30-2:30), didn't go to sleep until 7pm (I tried at 6:15) but then STTN until 6:45 this morning. Crazy boy.
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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2010, 22:30:43 pm »
Last night we had a pretty good night. DS slept from 7pm-12:30am and then at 12:30 he put himself back to sleep but it took him about .5 hr. Then he woke again at 2am and this time I heard him and in a half asleep state just went into his room. When I got there I realized that he didn't really need me yet but when I went to leave, he started crying of course. He went back to sleep quite soon and then didn't wake again until 5am when he was quite wide awake. It took awhile but he went back to bed until 7am. Today his naps have been bad because we have been out to the city, etc but hopefully the night will be alright.



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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2010, 02:02:25 am »
Good luck, Jenn...let us know how it's going, okay?  *hugs*
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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2010, 15:02:10 pm »
Last night DS had several NW's again. I am guessing from the complete lack of structure at all yesterday. Normally we try to plan our time in the city around DS's naps so he can be sleeping during the car ride but yesterday we had an appointment  :-\ He ended up being awake from 2:30 until 6:30 when he finally went to bed which was way too long for him. I tried to do a CN but he completely fought it. Anyways, today is a new day. I will let you know how it goes!

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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2010, 15:16:33 pm »
Yesterday went well. This was our day:

Wake 7:10
S: 10:40-12:45  (yes too long, I know, it just how can you wake a baby that never sleeps??? oh and I was jumping for joy that he made it over 1hr 15 min!)
S: 3:45-5:00
Asleep by 7:30

Then he woke at 8:30pm, 10:30pm, 3:30am, then 6:30am (it is taking longer and longer to get him to go back to sleep when he wakes between 5 and 7. This morning probably due to too much sleep yesterday).

So today I will wake him up if he sleeps past 1.5hr for sure. I just couldn't bring myself to do it yesterday. The night went pretty well too!




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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2010, 16:51:56 pm »
Yes, I think he was restless for a bit too much daytime sleep, too (especially between 5-7).  Let's cap his naps at the 1.5h and see how today goes! :D
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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2010, 21:53:19 pm »
DS's am nap today was back to 1hr 10min after a 3.5hr A time. I am not sure whether I should try to extend his am A a little bit more or not. When I put him in his crib, he is asleep in about 30 sec. flat which makes me think he is quite tired when I put him down, yet he still does not make it a full 1.5hr (yesterday being the exception, he has not napped that long since he was 2 months old!). And, is the 1hr 10 nap a problem or is it okay at his age to only get that much sleep? Also, I am not sure about his A time before bed. It seems when I put him to bed now he is not tired enough. But I want to try and keep 12hr days so I do not want to put him to bed any later. He has also just figured out how to crawl and does laps in his crib for 30 minutes before getting cranky and seemingly OT at bed time. I am worried that if I extend his A times during the day, the night situation will become worse. What do people do when their LO's get to a longer A time?



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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2010, 02:17:16 am »
To be honest, my DS (who is a month younger than yours) seems to do best with 12.5-13 hour days and 3.5-4 hours before bed (after a good long nap anyway). IMO, if he's happy after a 1 hour 10 minute nap I think that's fine. I might even try his AM nap a bit earlier and cap it at 1 hour and go for 1.5 hour PM nap if I were you. So if wake time were 7, nap from 10:15-11:15, then again from 2:30-4 and then 7:30 bedtime?
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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2010, 14:25:20 pm »
Okay, is that enough daytime sleep for him? I am having a really hard time extending his afternoon nap. He wakes up at the 40 min mark and I wouldn't exactly say he is happy about it but he will not go back to sleep. He was asleep by 7pm last night and this morning he was wide awake by 6:30. He woke at 10pm, 2:00am and 5:30am (he put himself back to sleep at this one) during the night.

His day yesterday was:

Wake 7:15
S: 10:45-11:55
S: 3:15-3:55
Asleep by 7pm (really, really tired and cranky at this point)

I am worried that if I cut his morning A time shorter then 3.5hrs, he will not nap past the 45 min mark. This is what he was doing before until I extended his A time. And I cannot get that afternoon nap extended but if I cut the morning one, his afternoon nap should be longer?



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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2010, 14:49:36 pm »
I would think at basically 9 months that 2.5 hours day sleep is probably enough. But you'll have to judge that by giving it at least a week and then seeing how his nights and overall mood are. Maybe don't even cut his morning A time - keep it at 3.5 hours but cut the nap at 1 hour? And then try for afternoon nap 3.5 hours after that and cut at 1.5 hours? What time did he wake today?
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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #55 on: January 19, 2010, 15:06:39 pm »
Hi there Jenn, Karen is likely spot on.  Finn cut his sleep back at 9 mths.  I would try to cut the AM nap too, 1 hr.  I didn't get on top of that one fast enough and now things are a mess :-)  In retrospect, the things that I would try to keep on top of is 1) offering more A time when needed;  2) and recognizing when to cut some day sleep. 

I think by waking happy at 40 mins he's telling you that he's had enough sleep in the AM so you need to cut some.  For us Finn went straight to nap refusal in the PM, he doesn't waste any time or mess around - he just means business my little monkey lol.  So Ethan is giving you a heads up I think, which is really really nice of him.  Also, 7 - 6:30 is FANTASTIC so in order to keep that in place it's a bit more tweaking needed.

Hang in there, you are doing so well - I know it's really hard!
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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2010, 16:32:18 pm »
He woke at 6:30 this morning. I am totally fine with that, he just normally sleeps until about 7:15. I think I will keep his A time the same but cut the nap back. I am pretty sure if I cut back the A time, he will only sleep for 45min. Hopefully I will get a good PM nap then. When the pm nap is short, he is a mess. He does seem to be doing better at night time with just a few NW's. Thank you Karen.

Wendy, thanks so much for the heads up! I will definitely try to keep an eye on both of those things. I am sorry Finn is being difficult for you now. Hopefully he will come around soon. How can they now realize how wonderful sleeping is?!?! By the way, Finn looks extraordinary handsome on his blue horse!



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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2010, 16:48:51 pm »
Maybe give a week straight of AM nap of one hour after 3.5 hours A time and then 1.5 hour PM nap after 3.25-3.5 hours A time (depending how he seems). And if a good PM nap like that I'd do at LEAST 3 hours before bed. So today could be nap from 10-11, nap from 2:15-3:45, bedtime 7pm.

And I really think 12.5 days is fine, even good at this age!
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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2010, 17:06:40 pm »
Okay sounds good. It is 10am here right now and he just went down for his nap. So if he is still sleeping, I will wake him at 1hr and plan for the afternoon nap at 2:15pm. Thanks so much!



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Re: Long NW's
« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2010, 17:17:25 pm »
Let us know how it goes!
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