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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2010, 04:49:53 am »
I have a question about pat/shush - does this only work when the LO sleeps on their stomach? I would love to use this to extend naps but don't know how since she is on her back.



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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2010, 15:23:08 pm »
hiya rachel :)
 *hugs* Just wanted to commend you on putting your baby to bed early to catch up on OT! That was a great move. Now, most babies at our age get about 12-10 hours of sleep a night. Ideally, we would love 12 hours, huh? Your baby seemed to have almost got there by going from 5:45 - 5:22am. I know what you're thinking  - omg, a wake up time of 5:22??? this will only be temporarily and I would think she got a good rest that night. So you would start your day at that time. Leave her in the crib, see what she does - does she cry? does she babble? if she's babbling then it's a good sign that's she's rested.

okay my lo is up and is demanding my attention. I'll be back shortly :) Sorry about that.
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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2010, 19:01:42 pm »
Okay, sorry about that

You're on the right track by extending her A times. However, some babies can only tolerate small increments of 5-10 minutes, while others don't mind a huge jump. I was reading your earlier posts, and it seems that your lo is quite OT. How about you increment her A time by 5-10 minutes over 3 days and then increase. Also, work on only ONE A time or she will accumulate a lot of OT! Have you seen this thread:
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=120362.0

From what you've told us, she was taking 45 UT naps before you started increasing her A time, correct? Now she's taking 30-35 OT naps. It probably will just take a few days for her to get used to her new A time. Don't give up. Stick with the same A time (i.e. 2 H and 15 minutes) for a few days to see if she still gives you a OT nap. Does that make sense?

The first nap is usually the toughest only because A time should be slightly less than the other A times. I think the reason she gave you such a small nap was bc she was OT. Does that make sense? I'm saying this from experience. My lo used to wake up at 5:30 or 6am and I thought this was insanely early since she used to give me 7am wake ups before.. Before, I would try to put her back to bed and it would take an hour.  Thus when I put her down for her, what I thought was her, "first" nap, she gave me an OT nap most times...

 Anyways, after keeping a sleep journal and logging her hours, I realized she just sleeps 11 hours a night and doesn't nap too long during the day. So her wakeup time, was her wake up timeBefore tackling the increase in A time, just go with her flow for a day or so. Put her down so she can catch up on her sleep. The best advice I've gotten is to put a baby to sleep early. Some babies really just want that, rather than that last nap, which is a few weeks for you will be gone anyways! hooray!

When she wakes are you doing anything to try to extend her sleep? I noticed you posted a question about sh/pat. Have you done it before? is your lo swaddled?
No, sh/pat can be done with a little one on their back. You just roll them to their side and shush pat their back. It's easier when they're little bc they're swaddled and they don't move around too much.

With solids, have you kept a log of what she eats? Maybe something's not agreeing with her? Do you give her probiotics?
« Last Edit: January 29, 2010, 19:27:45 pm by Jiinx »
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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2010, 06:26:00 am »
Thank you so much for your help, Sarah. I haven't had a chance to reply but I will give more details tomorrow.



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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2010, 18:53:27 pm »
Hi there Sarah,

I am still having trouble and/or am confused by the first A time / nap of the day. When you say stick to ONE A time, do you mean for the entire day or ? Since the first nap is always messed up, the rest of the day, I have to shorten A times so they're never the same. I have been trying to do a 2 hour A time and then shorten to 1 hr 45 min as the day goes on if her nap is less than 1 hour and sometimes I get a OT nap (30 min) and sometimes a fairly decent one (1 hr 15). I can't seem to get the 1st nap right.

Going back, I think I tried to push her too hard too quickly. She had been doing 1 hour A times for a long time and we jumped to 1.5 hours and then a few days later to 1.75 and now 2 hours. I don't know if we should go back to something shorter or stick with the 2 hours now.

She is getting her top two teeth in and I can see them bulging thru the gums (not broken thru) so I am fairly certain that is causing most of the NW's now. I do give her Motrin but I can't really tell if it helps.

This morning, she woke up at 5:20am and I wasn't sure if it was a NW or an EW. I fed her and put her back down and she fell asleep for maybe 30 minutes longer. But then, she seemed really tired and ready for a nap early but I kept her up for 2 hours. She gave me a 26 min nap! I tried to extend using pat/shush but she was wide awake, trying to lift her shoulders off the mattress, and arms were flailing. She seems too old for that method and never having done it when she was younger she doesn't seem to know what I am doing. I've also tried rocking/nursing down/patting and nothing has ever helped her extend. When she wakes up, she is AWAKE. So I got her up and after 1 hr 40 min, put her back down and she is currently sleeping. In hindsight, I probably should have gotten her up for the day at 5:20am but I didn't know if that was her wake time or EW (bedtime was 6:06pm last night).

She was swaddled until 6 months old and now she sleeps in a sleep sack. She sucks her fingers to self-soothe and was busting out of her swaddle for a couple months before I stopped swaddling; she seemed ready. She has a white noise machine in her room and darkening shades. She generally goes down without a fuss for a nap unless she is really OT or OS.

As for solids, she has been eating rice cereal or oatmeal in the morning and then fruit or veggies in the lunch/afternoon time. Just two meals right now. She eats a fair amount though - 3 TB's of cereal, 1 jar of solids. I don't know if she's ready for more yet. I haven't given her probiotics, should I?

Thanks for the link on increasing from 3 to 4 hour EASY. That is helpful. I just need to figure out the first A time and nap of the day and then I can go from there. I am just so baffled by it. She is a textbook baby with maybe some touchy when it comes to sleep?

She is scooting backwards and sitting up which are new developments in the last couple weeks; teething for sure; and starting solids. So, I know there is a LOT going on. And I had her on a newborn type schedule for too long without realizing it. I just want to fix things but feel like I'm spinning my wheels and confusing her. :(

Appreciate all the advice!



 



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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2010, 18:58:24 pm »
Okay, nap #2 was 32 minutes. I am going insane!



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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2010, 21:46:11 pm »
I agree with sarah - teeth really mess things up! It too far longer than I thougt it should for DS to be over his teething pain after the teeth came through.  Teething and illness basically toss EASY out the window!

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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2010, 22:55:30 pm »
Hi Rachel,

Still following this thread, and commiserating!  In our case, she sleeps 45 min on the nose, and she is neither teething, eating solids, sitting nor moving around, so I'm extra stumped!  I really think the key is A time, but how much?  How little?  OT? UT?  URRRGGGGHHHH!!!

Hang in there, you're not alone!

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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2010, 00:07:52 am »
Hi Rachel,
 Hope you had an okay day with the short nappings. It's tough, isn't it? *hugs*

 Activity Times
Since you're dealing with an OT baby, when trying to increase activity times it's better to tackle one A time. What I mean by this, instead of increasing all of them by 15 minutes, it's best to stick to one (the first one IMO) and increase that and keep it that way for three days. So, say your baby is used to 2 hours of A time and all of a sudden you've increased all A times by 15 minutes - that's an extra 45 minutes added to her day - that's a lot of time in baby world, ykwim?

 I know what you mean by the first nap. It's always an indication of how the rest of the day will be. It also tells you if you're dealing with UT (45 mins +) or OT (35 - mins)

Early wakings
 Okay. So going by your EASY yesterday, I see you finished your day at 5:45pm. Excellent. Now, by your posts you've told us that your LO sleeps for 11-12 hours. Your lo woke up at 5:20am. I think she was pretty rested, don't you? That's almost 12 hours! She probably was hungry by the time she woke up and wasn't really motivated to go back to sleep after spending all that time sleeping. I think she was adequately rested. You fed her, and she went back to sleep UT. She then woke up, UT, but could not last the 2 hours you had her stay up and she was way OT by that time. Make sense? that's why she gave you a 26 minute nap. I really think that at 5:20 she was ready to wake up but she went back to sleep UT and then became way too tired after staying up.


She sounds a lot like my lo. Touchy at sleep times, pretty easy going otherwise ;) Probiotics help if you think that she's not digesting her solids or she's having intestinal problems.

Yes, teething and milestones will interfere with EASY. It's only temporarily and APOP may be needed on the way but your LO will get back on track.

I hope that helped and cleared up some issues for you? So keep her A time the same for three days..2 hours or whatever. If she gives you a 45 minute nap and you can't put her back to sleep, you know for the next day that you can increase it. It's hard, though, if she hasn't had a good night sleep. so watch her cues.

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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2010, 02:29:57 am »
That helps a lot, Sarah! Now I know what to focus on. And it totally makes sense that by the end of the day, all the extra A time is adding up and compiling day after day making a very OT baby. I have really upped her A time in the past few weeks (even though it is still low for her age group).

As for my last EASY posted, it was a few nights ago. Last night bedtime was 6:06pm and this morning wake up 5:20am - still a decent night (not including NW's which were short). I guess I just wasn't ready to get up at 5:20!! :)

I'll keep plugging away and give you updates. THANK YOU everyone for your thoughts, advice and hugs.



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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2010, 02:42:39 am »
good luck for tonight! sending you some sleepy vibes.
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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2010, 18:26:20 pm »
Hey ladies,

I wish I had good news to share but I don't. My poor LO is in an OT hole that we can't climb out of. Now, not only are naps going terribly, but nights are now filled with NW's and EW (today at 4:30am). I don't know how to get her out of OT mode so that we can focus on A's and good naps. Not sure what approach to take....

If nights aren't good, how do I make up for the loss of sleep there with naps? I have no idea when she needs naps anymore. It seems like she is always tired. She used to be such a great sleeper and started STTN at 7 weeks. Now things are a mess and I feel so confused.



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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2010, 19:08:44 pm »
hi rachel
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can we take a look at your routine from yesterday? or today? hang in there...

focus on her A times once she's caught up on her sleep..I've had months of bad napping and what I did was APOP her catnap and then put her to bed early.

What does she do at her NWs?
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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2010, 19:41:05 pm »
Let's see...the 'routine' is hardly a routine right now but here is what has happened since last night.

Bedtime 6:00pm (early) to make up for short naps and EW at 5:00am yesterday.
NW 10:45pm (crying) - BF
NW 1:50am (talking, escalated to crying) - tried soothing back to sleep, no luck, ended up BF - put in crib awake 2:32am
NW (EW) 4:32am - (babbling) let her babble for 15 min or so, checked - poopy diaper - changed in crib and left room - quiet for 10 minutes, then started talking, and eventually crying by 5:30am
BF at 5:30am to try to get her back to sleep since she had a terrible night - no dice - up for the day
A 4:32 - 6:56am (with 10 min sleep in between)
S 6:56am - 7:52am (poopy diaper again! - she is constipated and pooping tiny hard chunks)
A Took DS to preschool (1st day!)
E 9:10 BF - falling asleep
S 9:40 - 10:15am (poopy diaper - another tiny chunk!)
E tried to feed solids to loosen up BMs - ate a couple of spoonfuls but not interested
A 10:15 - 11:20 - burrowing, so sleepy from a few days of crap sleep
S 11:20 -

She's been asleep for 20 min or so. We'll see what happens.



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Re: 6 month old taking catnaps all day
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2010, 19:48:20 pm »
could her nws be a result of constipation/pain/gas?
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