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I fell asleep standing up today :(
« on: January 28, 2010, 17:38:13 pm »
Like the topic says – I actually fell asleep standing up today. I’m exhausted and I really need some sleep. We’re in the midst of the crib/bed switch and I’m looking for any and all tweaks or just something to let me know that this really will end in the next little while :) I’ll apologize in advance for this being a long post, but I’ll try to be as informative as possible.

Some background info:
Our spirited girls were on a fabulous bedtime routine that literally meant we dropped them in their cribs, put a blanket on them, said goodnight and shut the door at 6:30pm every night. They would sleep right through until 6:30-7:30am the next morning with little issue. About once per week, we would have a NW and we would just go in, rub their back for a second and tell them to lay down with their teddy (lovey) and help them find their pacifier. 30 seconds max. They had been on this routine from about 18 months until now 22 months.

We’ve had a developmental explosion in the last month: Language development, they have both hit the ‘twos’, climbing, separation anxiety (worse with twin2 than twin1), they are ready to potty train (which we’re not attempting until the sleeping is sorted out), and they managed to climb out of their cribs within two days of each other.

I can’t put anything on their cribs to keep them in because they panic, taking the drop side off the crib allowed them to fall out and they panicked again anyways so we decided to put mattresses right on the floor and do the ‘switch’. This was three weeks ago. They were by no means ready for it, but it was our only option. They are very active sleepers and rolled right off of the crib mattresses on to the floor so we put a single mattress down and they sleep on that – one on each end.

The first two nights they screamed even with me in the room on a mattress. They finally adjusted to that but it took a lot of cuddles and approximately 2 hours to get them to settle each night. I slept there for the full week and gradually moved my mattress away, and eventually I had two nights of WI/WO thinking we were making progress. SA is hitting pretty strongly during the day when I leave any room during the day, so I think that’s why we have a regression to me needing to be in there for them. So I now stay in until they are settled and almost asleep. Twin 1 is always asleep first and Twin 2 tends to figit for a good 20 mins longer. We’re attempting to find a better wind down routine for her. They settle the best with a back rub that lasts for 5-10 mins which I really don’t mind doing because I stop before they’re out.

The NW’s are what is killing me. I can sometimes settle whoever wakes up within a minute or two but at least once a night one of them is up for at least an hour and will not settle. I’m exhausted and I end up laying down between them and passing out. Then they take turns waking up at 5:30-6:00am. I’ve put a timer on their night light this week and I make them stay down until 6:50 when the light comes on. During this time, I get told all about Teddy’s eyes, ears, they babble my name and each others’ while I try my best to ignore them and not give them an audience.

For the record: naps are wonderful. They settle within 5 mins and sleep for approx 1 hour. They still need the nap because they ask for it and are victims of the OT Monster if they don’t have one. They wake up happy and cheerful and have great afternoons. Come 6pm they’re looking to go to bed so I know that their schedule should be working for them as it always has. We’ve gone from them getting 14ish hours of sleep in a 24 hour period to sometimes only 10.

What I really need is three things:
Someone to tell me that this will end – even if it takes another two months, I just need to know that there is an end to it.

Any and all advice on how to better deal with the NW’s. They scream when DH attempts to go in and he works early mornings and can’t take any time off. I’m the one to deal with them and I don’t mind doing it if I could have a faster and more effective way to settle them in the middle of the night.

Tips for a wind down routine in the evening. They bath in the afternoons because they get rather hyper when they hit the water and run around happily screaming for about an hour or two after they get dried off.  Books excite them to the point that they scream out the names of characters that they recognize. I’ve even had to take away the Sesame Street book with Elmo in it because they get so wound up they are over stimulated from it. If they have certain books too long, they end up having meltdowns, so I try to keep the books to a minimum after 6pm. We do milk in the evenings and diapers ½ hour before bedtime so they can calm down from their change into their pj’s. We sit in the living room watching the news and try to cuddle, but they’re not cuddly and are literally the textbook definition of introverted spirited children. I’ve read Raising Your Spirited Child but haven’t found anything that can help with this transition in it.

Again, I apologize for the length but I really need some help on this one.


Thanks, Vicki
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Re: I fell asleep standing up today :(
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2010, 18:09:44 pm »
Can you do a quiet cuddle in their room with a relaxing CD on perhaps? Maybe if it's just instrumental and you review what you've done for the day while brushing their hair or rubbing lotion onto them...something that would be calmer. Even watching the news might be OS for them b/c everything on TV is so fast paced these days, ykwim? Maybe you can brush ones hair and the other can brush her dolly's and switch. Then maybe you can try to teach them to close their eyes and remember the day: "Remember when we took a walk to see......that was really nice." Maybe you could encourage them to tell their teddy's even, but that they should whisper in their ear (to keep the volume down).

Or what about one of those lights that makes stars and other pictures on the ceiling. Maybe you can tell a story and have them lie and watch that. Or they could play with flashlights (remembering to take them out of the room before bed LOL)

Just trying to think about calming ideas for LOs. Not sure if they'd go for any of it or not.

And...I'm not at this stage yet, but I KNOW there is an end in sight. I hope someone else has suggestions for the NWs. I've always been terrible with them, TBH. :)

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Re: I fell asleep standing up today :(
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2010, 21:44:23 pm »
Thanks Nicole,

We've been using a cd since they were 3 months old. It's the sound of crashing waves and they can't fall asleep without it. They're also extremely light sleepers so we'd be tiptoeing otherwise. My mother got us a Dora light with a song and they get really worked up over it.

Lol - I've even debated on taking the teddy bears out because sometimes they get all worked up with those :o

I'm thinking of having a cuddle before actually tucking them in while sitting in the dim room and perhaps whispering about the day's events? Even talking seems to get them worked up. Maybe that would be a transition?
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Re: I fell asleep standing up today :(
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 04:11:00 am »
we had a similar story...dd1 was 20 mo, 1 mo before we were expecting dd2.  dd1 suddenly started refusing to sleep in the crib.  it coincided with daycare moving her to naps on a mat instead of in a playpen, which she did well with.  she wasn't climbing out but since we were going to need the crib for the baby we decided to try going to a BGB.  we didn't have one so we put the mattress on the floor.  it was a disaster.  we lasted a week of crying, waking in the night and crying (when she previously had been sttn),  taking an hour to go down with me staying in the room with her.  disaster.  anyway.  we went back to the crib.  problem solved.  now i know your girls were climbing out before, but maybe they got a scare when they climbed out before?  maybe it is just too soon for them to switch to a BGB?  sounds like you are having a really tough time with it!

another thought, going from a cosy crib to a bare mattress on the floor is a hard switch.  it's completely different.  when we did switch to a BGB (attempt #2 dd was 2 years 3 mo, we really needed the crib by then) we couldn't go to the crib with the side rail because we needed the crib so we bought an extendable bed (ikea) and put a bed rail on it.  it has a tall head and foot board, one side is against a wall and a siderail, there's no way she can fall out and it sort of feels like a crib, i mean when you are lying in it there's almost walls on all sides, very cosy, not exposed on the floor.  maybe you could try to make the set up more closed in?  or try a bed with siderails?  we had no trouble switching to the BGB when we did it the second time, but dd was older and she hadn't been climbing out of the crib, and doesn't know she can climb out of the bed!  i'm not about to tell her.
   

   


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Re: I fell asleep standing up today :(
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 16:06:48 pm »
Someone did give me a toddler bed for DD (for when she's older, NOT now) and the short side rails make it seem cozier. Also you can get special bedding for them that they pick out etc. etc. So it might be worth it to try to make it a cozy, big girl spot!

Maybe you can check out some aromatherapy or things that are meant to be more "calming". You sure do have spirited girls!







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Re: I fell asleep standing up today :(
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2010, 23:42:28 pm »
Thanks everyone for your support and suggestions :)

Here's an update:

Naps are abslolutely no problem. They're asleep within 10 mins and no wind down routine whatsoever. The naps only last for approx 1hr - 1.5hrs but they seem well rested, so I have little complaint.

I've accepted the fact that 'wind down' time is from 6:30-7pm(ish) where we cuddle on the mattress on the floor. 7pm is more serious 'you need to go to sleep now' time and they're usually off within 10-15 mins. DDB is usually out before 7pm anyways. DDA needs a little more time to get the figits out. I'm going to incorporate a book with no pictures in the next few months while they lay and cuddle with me, but I don't think they're ready for that much stimulation yet :(

The NW's are still an issue, but I quit sleeping on the floor with them 5 days ago and I've begun WI/WO. There's a rocking chair in their room that I've spent a few hour stints in but I'm off of the floor and my body is so thankful for it :) I'm far more tired by doing the WI/WO but I think it's making a slow difference - poor DH thinks things should work immediately lol.

I put a timer on the lamp in their room set for 7am and they know that's when they're allowed to get up. They still get up from time to time throughout the night but they squeal and run around their room when the lamp comes on.

We've decided to stick with the large matress as they do like to cuddle before sleep time and the crib mattresses are far too small for them to stay on. They're just as active at night as they are during the day lol.

Thanks again everyone. I'll keep you updated and if anyone has any further ideas, please don't hesitate to send them my way. I could certainly use all of the help I can get.

Vicki
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Re: I fell asleep standing up today :(
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2010, 02:10:10 am »
Hey everyone :)

Just thought I'd get out a happy update to you all as your support and comments were very much appreciated :) This was our 7th night of awesome bedtimes so I think that the habit has been formed and just needs to be consistent now.

I quit the wi/wo as it just wasn't working with two of them. It became a circus in there and betime would take approximately 1 1/2 hours and leave me almost in tears. To top it off, they would be overtired, have several nw's, an ew and have a very short nap.

So I switched to gradual withdrawl. It was golden. We're still in the process of it, but after cuddles J will ask for two kisses and hugs and lay down with a little coaxing while I work with D. She can be verbally directed from across the room (so long as I stay in the room) to roll over and she puts herself to sleep! No backrubs or extra cuddles or anything. D is a little more tactile and we put a guard across her mattress and she snuggles right against it. What started as a 10 min backrub with D putting her to sleep is now 30 seconds and just a hand on her leg until she gets really drowsy. This entire routine takes 15 mins tops and they are out :) I'm working up to just being in the room, then by the door and then wi/wo but at this point I don't mind a 15 min routine to la-la land.

We've also ditched the naps. Unfortunately it was a necessary evil but we do have quiet time for 45 mins on the couch every day with no toys and the tv on so low that they have to sit very quietly to hear it. Sometimes they doze off, and sometimes not but they are recharged and they make it through without too many extra meltdowns. We head up to bed now at 6:15pm, they're asleep by 6:30, I'm out of the room by 6:35 and they're down until 6:30/7am.

We're still working through the molars and have at least one short nw per night but it's usually quickly settled. I put a single bed in there for me as I'm just too tired with the pregnancy to sit up if it takes more than 15 mins to settle them and they are allowed to come over anytime to cuddle after 6:15am.

So we still have some work left but I'm getting 8+ hours of sleep per night and the girls up to 12 :D

Thanks everyone for your support, I didn't dream of having such a good update anytime soon. DH finally agreed that sometimes 'the books' do have some answers lol.
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