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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2010, 10:30:18 am »
Nap 2 went from 1.50pm - 3.15pm.  I had him in bed asleep by 6.15pm.  That's exactly a 12 hour day with 2 good naps totaling around 3.5 hours.  So we shall see...  It's the earliest he's ever been in bed for so I feel a bit nervous but he was definitely ready for bed. 

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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2010, 12:14:34 pm »
Sorry, I'm just seeing this since I tried to go to bed early myself last night!

Yay for a good nap!  That's great! How did the rest of the day go?  If the 2nd nap was good, too, I would have done bedtime 2h30 or 2h40 after he woke up.  What did you try and how did it work?

We had a 5:40 wakeup.  :P  Not terrible after 6:15 bedtime but I was hoping for later! I guess we'll end up with a CN today and hopefully reset for tomorrow.  We keep going back and forth with a no CN day, earlier morning, then a CN day, later morning, etc!  Once I get his A times pushed a little more hopefully we can get rid of this CN for good!   ;)
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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2010, 14:24:05 pm »
Elf, glad to hear about the good naps and fingers crossed that the night went well!  :)

I'm glad it seems like you ladies have similar things going on with your LOs are are able to help eachother out so much!!  I don't know if I mentioned it before or not on this thread, but at the same time my DS was that age I had a thread going very similar to this one.  Anyways, I couldn't figure him out for the life of me!!  And at that time what really got me through it (aside from wonderful help and advice!), was having other ladies whose LOs were the same age jump on and share their experiences.  It makes all the difference in the world to know that other moms are going through the exact same thing.

Well, all those ladies and I are still carrying on sharing experiences with our LOs here on BW and elsewhere in our lives!!  Really, those friendships are invaluable!  :)

Not sure if either of you have checked out the birth clubs or not but since you both have LOs around the same age it might be a good place to pop over to as well to hear more about what the other moms are doing too.  And also to share you experiences!
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=164795.0

In the meantime, I'm so glad that we're hopefully helping get these naps sorted for you! 
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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2010, 01:02:19 am »
Thanks once again.  We did bedtime at 6.15pm - that was 3 hours awake from the last nap.  He did stir a bit and need resettling until 9.30pm though.  Do you think that is overtiredness?  He was easy to settle back to sleep.  He woke and fed at 11pm and at 5am and then started the day at 6am.  He had almost 12 hours sleep with a bit of resettling in the first few hours and then those 2 quick feeds and straight back to sleep.  Kept him up 2.45 mins and he has just gone back for his first nap of the day  He did look tired around 5.30pm yesterday and I'm wondering if I should still do a catnap from 5.30 - 6pm and then put bedtime at 8pm?  He doesn't seem to stir in the early part of the evening when he's had a catnap.  Or should I cap naps at 1.5 hours so the catnap ends up earlier?  So hard to know what to do.  part of me thinks I just need to push through with the 2 naps and hope that his body adjusts - obviously keeping with an appropriate bedtime.  It's a shame his 2nd nap wasn't 2 hours.  But having said that he's only ever done 1 2 hour nap and 1 1.5 hour nap anyway.  I would be so nervous to have bedtime at 5.30pm,  I think I would prefer a catnap.  I guess I'll have to see what happens throughout the day.  I just want some consistency again.  I really feel we have gone backwards lately.  I can't help but keep thinking back to those nights where he slept all the way through til 4.30am/5am without a peep, then back to sleep til morning.  I just don't know what happened?  He is also swaddled and I wonder if now at 6 months he would be more comfortable without it.  Though I don't even want to go there with the weaning yet!  1 thing at a time but I can't help but wonder if I'm up in the night anyway I may as well do that at the same time!  I also know deep down he doesn't need those 2 feeds in the night as he wasn't hungry at all when he finally woke at 6am, after being fed at 5am.  

Kmk - how many wake ups/feeds did you have with your night?

Martina - Yes I should check out the birth clubs as I feel I have lots going on and it does help to know I'm not the only one and this is all normal!  

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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2010, 01:13:46 am »
What is his temperament like?  If he is angel or textbook you might be able to get away with pushing to 2 naps and riding out any OT that might result.  But if he is touchy or spirited, it's probably better to take it slow and do some 2 and some 3 nap days until he's more consistent.  I wouldn't purposely wake him from the pm nap, rather if he wakes early do a CN, and if he takes a long pm nap do an early bedtime.

My DS started flat our refusing the CN at 7mos so we dropped it cold turkey then, even though his other naps weren't great and he wasn't ready.  But because he is textbook I was just able to power through it until the rest of him caught up.

IMO 5:30 is too early of a bedtime.  I always tried for 6:30 at the earliest, but even 6 would be doable on a really crazy day.

We 'half-swaddled' until 8mos, that is arms free and swaddled from the legs down.  I really did feel it helped DS sleep better otherwise he was kicking himself all over the place.  If you're unsure as to whether or not to keep the swaddle you could always try posting on the props board and seeing what other moms might have to say.

That 9:30 NWing could have been OT, it's hard to say since it was only the one and he settled easily.  Could have just been a fluke?
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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2010, 01:25:30 am »
I think he is pretty textbook actually so I think I might push through with the two naps and like you say deal with the overtiredness.  If it is overtiredness he settles very easlity - it's not like he is waking and up and staying up.  Could him waking up even be undertiredness?  I should have mentioned that the first resettle happened at exactly 45 mins.  I am really going to cross fingers that we get two good naps today and can keep bedtime as close to 7pm as possible.  If he does 2 really good naps of 3.5/4 hours total and an 11/11.5 hour night then I would imagine that's pretty normal for a 6 month old? 

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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2010, 01:54:08 am »
Here's a link to the typical amounts of sleep per age group:
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=85130.0

So yes, 2 good naps and 11/11.5hrs at night would be more than enough for his age.  It can be so variable from baby to baby as well.  If you think he would tolerate a push to 2 naps well then I don't see any reason not to try.  Just keep a close eye out for signs that he is getting OT.  With my DS, there are two kinds of OT - the kind you can work through, and then the kind that happens after many days worth of OT accumulate.  The second kind is a nightmare and can often be very hard to fix.  (we happen to be in one of those ruts right now :().  If you start to see that he's spiralling down the OT slide rather quickly, do not be afraid to pop that CN back in to get caught up.  If you catch it early you can stay on track.

Good luck!!  :)
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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2010, 02:00:34 am »
Hi Ladies,
I don't want to hi-jack your conversation, but I'm also trying to not start a new thread - as I have gone from the NW board to the EASY board and am now considering posting on the nap board.  Nothing has worked..and I feel I'm pretty much in the same boat as you!  Would you mind taking a look at what's going on for us?  I am DESPERATE :(

My LO is almost 6 mos., but was 3 weeks early, so I'm never sure where he should be.  We were up to 2:20 A time last week, but then I started wondering if his short naps (1:10-1:15) were actually OT.  The past few days I have been trying to watch his cues more closely and let him lead me more...but he literally starts rubbing his eyes at the 1:40 mark in the morning.  Since we have been having a new EW of 5:30 am, I have been hesitant to allow him to sleep after such a short A time.  As it is right now, I am stuck in this vicious cycle of bedtime falling at 5/5:30pm...I tried going with that, but it didn't affect anything - we just had a NW and an EW.  So now I am double CNing and it's awful...if I put him down at 6:30/7, even with the CN, he is OT...has trouble falling asleep and has some early stirrings.

Thanks so much...I'd really appreciate some *more* help :)
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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2010, 02:10:46 am »
Hi there... For me last week it would appear that the 1.10 min naps were UT - I think!  My son can also rub his eyes a lot - sometimes as soon as he wakes up!  When I put him down at 2.45 mins activity today he had really started what I would call the 'tired yawn' not the bored yawn at around 2.30 mins and had the heavy red eyes and fussiness.  That for me at this age is what I go on.  So I started our wind down which is just walking him around until I see his body start to relax and he went off to sleep nicely.  I put him down too early last week and got those sorts of naps which created a vicious cycle which we (I think) are slowly getting out of.  I can't offer too much advice but when my DD1 was waking at 5.30am a few years ago I never put her down early.  I did lots of low key activity and tried to push through without her getting overtired.  She was angel though.  I guess what I am trying to do now is 'readjust' his body clock to get used to the 2 naps as best as I can... Feel free to jump on the thread - fingers crossed I will be able to offer something useful based on what I am doing...

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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2010, 02:17:31 am »
Thank you.  I was thinking they were UT for awhile, so I kept pushing his first A time out - got up to 2:35 and was still getting the 1:10 nap.  He has been SO fussy in the morning, after that 5:30 wake, that I have had a hard time pushing him.  I tried to watch his cues for the first nap today and put him down after 2:05!  He woke at the 35 mm, but after 10 mins of shh/pat, I got him back and he made it to 1:20.  I was sort of under the impression that only an OT nap can be extended...that it's much harder with a UT nap...am I wrong on that?  Appreciate ANY advice you can offer - I am willing to try anything at this point!
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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2010, 02:32:00 am »
Yes, it's hard figuring it out;  All I can say is that when I get a nap of around 1.10mins/1.20mins I think it is undertired.  But I could be wrong.  It is hard when they wake up at 5.30am to start the day as he is possibly waking up tired.  We got a reasonably good night sleep last night so I was quite comfortable pushing the 2.45 mins again and he is still asleep - it's been 1.45 mins so far so it looks as though we are going to get a good nap.  Last week I put DS down at the 2 hour mark and he stirred at 45 mins and then was up at the 1 hour mark...  I needed to do that though as I had to be out for DD1 so knew that I was going to get a short nap because of it...

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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2010, 02:40:35 am »
Really interesting - thanks.  I am going to try pushing him a bit tomorrow and see what happens.  It is SO hard when they wake up at 5:30am - on him and on me.  Ha ha.  I try to APOP his at 5:30 am and sometimes I can get him back to sleep and other times he sort of smiles at me, like, "yeah, right, good try."  Will cross my fingers for a good night so I can try to extend his A time tomorrow.  Thank you!
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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2010, 03:37:20 am »
Hi ladies!

Elf....well last night I got wakings at 10:30 to eat, 2:30 settled himself, 3:30 I settled him, then down until 5:40 when he was up for the day.  Fun Fun!  Those early bedtimes are usually a little more successful for us.  :P   Sounds like things are going ok for you, though!  Let me know how it goes pushing through the OT.  I think my guy is a little too touchy/spirited (I'm realizing now...) to push through.  I tried it a couple of weeks ago and was met with total disaster.  Might have more luck trying again in a couple more weeks, though, I'm thinking now.... ::)  We did a CN today since he was up so early and then bed at 7:25 so we'll see what the night will bring!

Mjaz-  You might consider set naps.  I haven't tried it but there are a number of moms on here who do it as a last resort for EWs.  How long have you been dealing with the EW?  No other tweaks have helped?  If you want to post your EASY we can have a(nother) look and see if we can't see something new.  Here's my marathon post where Wendy and Sherry talk about set naps at one point: http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=163004.0
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Re: How early for bedtime when dropping catnap?
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2010, 05:44:09 am »
I just read your thread on 'routine check'...  Wow - you have been going through a lot.  I found some of the advice in there really helpful.  Like I don't think DS will be or is a 12 hour sleeper.  I think I will work on a 13 hour day.  I don't mind 6am wake up (well I would love later but I can accept it!) if he shows the signs of STTN.  He slept this morning for 1.50mins.  I kept him up the 2.45mins so his second nap began at 1.15pm.  I will see what happens.  I really want to drop that catnap!!!  I want to have a 7pm or 6.30pm at the latest.  I really don't want to be going back and forth and with a DD1, giving that catnap gets trickier and tricker as I always APOP in the sling so we can pop to the park or friends houses but as he gets more alert it becomes more and more difficult.  Plus he's heavy!!!  LOL

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« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2010, 05:53:13 am »
KMK - I meant to tell you, based on your other thread that I do have 'That Baby' with my DD1 so was very confident (perhaps overly so) that BW would have DS sleeping through the night by 8 weeks like DD!.  And despite me starting BW from Day 1 and being my second time with experience DS is not sleeping through - I think that is why I have been struggling with this so much as I really feel as though I do everything I can by him and just don't get why he won't/can't make it through the night :)  But I won't give up!!!