Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued

[Flightmommy]

Gavinsmum1, I had a good laugh at your "going into the toilet together" comment...lol!! thanks!! With 3 days of short naps, it sounds like perpetual OT for your LO, huh? And you've got a sick LO too!!! Poor you!!
  Wendy, i'd like to think that Caleb is teething, but he's got NO TEETH yet (at 12.5 months!!) and he doesn't seem to be behaving any differently in terms of chewing/hands in the mouth/drooling etc...but he's got to get teeth as some point, so it could be very possible that he is teething. Still doesn't explain the wild crib parties....i know you're the NW mod, but i've posted a NW issue in the "Sleeping for Toddlers " section and haven't gotten much response. It's probably left everyone baffled!!! lol!! Anyways, don't know if you would mind having a peak at it when you've got time, or would it be better if I posted it in the NW forum? Thanks!!

[Nauvoo]

So we tried a one nap day today but got a 50min nap.  Bummer!!!  So I AP'ed a catnap in the pm that took about 30min for her to fall asleep and we ended up with a very very long day.  This is the pits!

[gavinsmum1]

I'm glad that I was able to get you laughing Flightmommy! 

Honestly, I'm so sleep deprived right now, I'm a little desensitized to what's going on around here.  I went to bed at 9:30 last night after falling asleep on the couch and I was up at 5:00 with a crying toddler AND then a crying baby.   Jesse started his day at 5:30 this morning and will shortly be going down for a morning nap, which I'm thinking that he'll probably want after having less than an 11 hour night and virtually no nap time yesterday. Who's idea was it to have two kids 20 months apart?!?!?!  Who planned this?  It is total chaos here, so I'm just going to have a swig of coffee this morning and try to roll with it.
Sorry for the rant.  This is just absolutely nuts. 

[*Jo*]

aww hun, i thought it was tough with just the one! heres hoping your day gets a little better

ours did slightly. after a morning nap of 1 hour 10mins (yet again) he started showing sleepy signs 45mins earlier than usual for the afternoon nap so i whipped him off to his bedroom for wind down and popped him into bed, he cried for 1 min and then was asleep!!! DH woke him at 1 hour to preserve bedtime but can you beleive it?? all this madness of up to an hour of WI/WO and then that happens in the afternoon! It seems his A time has dropped dramatically. he usually doesnt even show tired signs so thats why it was a surprise to see them.

Flightmommy, could this be the same for your Caleb too (seeing as they seem to think along similar lines most days)

[Tweakster]

Jo glad to hear that you are coming out the other side! It did really seem like his A time dropped and he was OT.

[*Jo*]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! this morning we tried teh same thing, waited for tired signs, put him to sleep 15mins earlier than normal, he didnt fight it but only slept 40mins!! Im so mad, this is doing my head in!!!!

[Flightmommy]

Jo, how was his night? If he had a good night, it might be that he could have handled more A time. That's exactly what happened here today....Caleb had a super 12.5 hr night (don't think i've ever seen that before, but our nap was horrible yesterday, so...) and he went down for his short am nap fine at the 4h mark, but then had a pm nap of 1h20 and we've not seen that in such a long time, but I know that's a UT nap for him for sure....in hindsight, i should have factored in the favorable night and stretched out his A times....wonder if that could be what's going on with your Caleb??
  Gavinsmum1, I have to commend you for having two LO's so close in age....i bet they'll be the best of friends some day. Does your older one still nap?

[gavinsmum1]

Listen, there is no commendation necessary here!!  I wouldn't recommend having two kids so close together, but at the same time, I don't regret it.  It was a rough first year with the two, but my husband took some paternity leave and it greatly improved the first few months.  Especially considering #2 was an even touchier sleeper than the first!  So, yes, my eldest is just under 3 and he still naps.  Most days, pretty well, but since he's caught two back-to-back viruses, sleep is all over the place.  He's had NWs and EWs and no nap days, which makes it all the more trying going through the 2-1 with Jesse.  It almost makes me chuckle it's so all over the place.  I can't even bother getting back on track with either of them until my eldest is better and stops waking my youngest in the night and up from his naps.  Arg!  This is the kind of stuff that would've put me right over the edge when I first had Gavin, but right now, it's all about survival and just rolling with things until they get better.  It's made me realize that there's only so much you can control and honestly I'm just trying to keep things as consistent as I can and hope that they both bounce back soon.

[Nauvoo]

Gavinsmum, I think it takes a strong women to do what you have done.  Your boys are adorable.

So today my LO woke at 7:50am.  I think she was throwing what flightmommy calls a "crib pary" last night.  I heard her about 4:30am and when I got her up this morning her stuffed animals were all over the crib.  All thing considered, she went to bed at 6:45pm last night so I'm thinking she had good sleep last night and there's no way we will get two naps in today unless we want a 10pm bedtime.  So we will try for 1 nap.  I just have no idea what A time to use first this morning?  I'm trying to have a positive attitude that it will work today.

[Flightmommy]

Nauvoo06, we're on the one nap trial today too....I woke at 7:40am this morning and Caleb was playing in his crib, so don't really know what time he woke, but it's 11:10am here and he's not showing any tired signs, just going like the energizer bunny, so we're doing a small lunch in 30 minutes and aiming for a 12-12:30 start to his nap....hope it works out well!
  Just go with her tired cues, if she has any, but with a good night behind her, I would aim for 4.5-5 hours....hopefully she gives you a nice long nap. Let us know how you get on...
  Got to go.....i hear the energizer bunny in the next room and it sounds like trouble!!! Ughh, wish I had his stamina!

[*Jo*]

ladies, after swimming yesterday afternoon he slept for ages, i had to wake him up at 1 hour 45mins as it was nearly 5pm and getting too late! first big nap in months!!! he went to bed at 8.45pm and slept till just about 7.30am today, gonna trial one nap as well, seeing as we are at church and he will be pretty busy

[Flightmommy]

Well, i hate to admit it, but it seems Caleb is ready for one nap...ughhh, i wanted SOOO  badly to hold on to the two naps for much longer, but it's just such a fight all the time. Today, he stayed up almost 5 hours, had an early lunch and went down (with his bottle) at 12:25pm......HAD TO WAKE HIM AT 3:10PM!!! He would have kept going, but it was coming up to 3 hours of sleeping and I know what that means for our night sleep!! Wow!! I don't even know what to make of this......so know, how do I find the right A time after such a long and unusual nap? Keeping in mind that Caleb has crib parties if his last A time isn't long enough......any ideas ladies?? Thanks!

[Nauvoo]

Sorry, no ideas.
We tried one nap after 4 hours 15 min A time (she woke at 7:50am).  She was rubbing her eyes and showing all her tired cues.  However, she only slept 1 hour 20 minutes and was not even tired after that.  Just another reason why tired cues are not accurate here.  I now know to go a bit longer next time.  What a pain.  Flightmommy, I know moving to one nap means abandoning 2 naps which can be so lovely sometimes, but I envy you a lot.

[Flightmommy]

I'm not convinced we can go cold turkey, but i'll mix it up here and there. The 1h20 naps are almost always UT for us....try again with more a bit more A time, I know it's scary cause you don't want to cross that OT line, which can be soooo fine sometimes. Also, did you try giving her some lunch before the nap...she might have woken from hunger?? And tired cues are no good here either......i'm always guessing!! I just got really lucky today. Hope I can say the same thing tomorrow morning....if I get another crib party tonight, i'll never go near another one nap day again!!

[gavinsmum1]

Honestly, if I was as close to 1 nap as some of you ladies are, then I would be skipping along.  A little less fussing with A times sounds good to me!
We had a bummer of a day, just because I'm still trying to nail down A times for Jesse and I'm not having much luck.  (At  least my eldest napped today!! I think a few of those no nap days really tired him out finally! )I'm playing it safe, though, which is probably why I keep getting stuck in OT land.  Today looked like this:

wake 6 (crying! no luck getting him back to sleep, but when I got him up~ dirty diaper)

nap 9:50-10:10 woke him

nap 1:30-2:15 (shoot!! I think this is UT.  He took 20 minutes to settle and sucked his thumb even after he had drifted off until 1:30)

bedtime 7:00 (weird, I guess he was OT as he fooled around for 15 minutes)

So, do I increase that second A time?  What do you ladies think? I thought 3 hours was safe to be putting him down after a 20 minute nap, but he obviously wasn't tired enough to nap well.  This is driving me nuts.