yet another issue :(

[*Becky*]

uggh, just had the most horrible morning, well the second really. For the last 2 mornings DS has woken at 5.30am which is just too early. We never get up before 6am so I go into his room once the shouting gets loud (!) and try to settle or at least keep him calm until we can get up. When he was about 10/11 months we did a lot of this as he was teething molars and 9/10 he would fall asleep again...but not now! This morning he had the most major tantrum and it has really upset me 
I lay down next to him and this morning he just lost it. He was just screaming, grabbing at my hair, thrashing about and the screams were awful - really horrid upsetting sounds, not just a bit of a cry iykwim. I am at a loss as I just cannot get him up before 6am but we cannot go through that again. It was crazy! I don't think it is pain, I think he just wants to get up and is getting so mad that I don't do that. Not sure how to handle it. We are right at the end of 2:1 and I think that is part of it, I also think he is a little OT due to a couple of early mornings but somehow I HAVE to get him to sleep until 6am.
Uggh
Thanks bx

[*Becky*]

and now he is tired and it is 7.15am - great!

[MummyToBen]

Hugs Becky!!

What have your last few days looked like?
Is he teething still? I know it's hard to tell sometimes 

He was just screaming, grabbing at my hair, thrashing about and the screams were awful - really horrid upsetting sounds, not just a bit of a cry iykwim. I am at a loss as I just cannot get him up before 6am but we cannot go through that again. It was crazy! I don't think it is pain, I think he just wants to get up and is getting so mad that I don't do that.

We've had this too.  The first few times he did it his screams were so terrible we thought he must be in awful pain(!), only to get him out of his bedroom door and he stopped IMMEDIATELY and started chatting/pointing etc  ! 

xxx

[*Becky*]

yes exactly that. Once he had his milk he was fine but what do I do? I think he could be hungry as he had a tummy bug last week and so it has only been in the last 2-3 days he has been eating ok again. I am going to feed him up today! I can't get up for the day before 6am but I just can't go through that again. As for teeth - well still snotty but no NWing so cannot be too much of an issue. What would you do?

[squeakersmum]

My only thoughts would be not to be scared of putting him down for a 2 nap day if he needs it.

((hugs)) - we're teething here again and having horrid NW and mornings are getting earlier....

And if he's screaming and pulling your hair...walk out.  He does need to know that it's not acceptable to hurt mummy just because he doesn't get his own way.  It sounds like he was angry - and while screaming is the only way they can express that to us, this is a situation where what mummy says goes.  I'm not suggesting that you just leave him to scream - just modified WIWO to let him know that it's NOT ok to hurt you.

If/when he calms down it's before 6am then go ahead and sit in there with him until 6 if that's what you want to do.  or keep doing WIWO until it is time to get him up.

How old is he now?  Maybe it's a good time to introduce some fairy lights/night light on a timer set for say 6am.  When the light(s) come on it's time to get up.  Even if he doesn't get the idea straight away it would be good for a way down the line and he's in a BBB!!  

[*Becky*]

thanks very much. Yes he is still on 2 naps with the occasional one nap day. He is such a short napper that I have not been able to do a regular 1 nap. He is 16.5 months now.
The thought of wiwo in the morning makes me feel sick as he will just go crazy and I get stressed because of the noise and my neighbours etc.
I was thinking about the night light - bunny light idea. He understands a lot and is quite verbal so maybe it would work?
What I would like to do is get bedtime to more like 7pm when the clocks change as at the moment it is 6.30/45 which means that if he does an 11 hour night he is up just too early. When the clocks spring forward I am hoping we can do a 7pm bedtime and it might help?
bx

[MummyToBen]

I am going to feed him up today!

Sounds a good plan !!

What's his routine looked like for the last few days?  

When the clocks spring forward I am hoping we can do a 7pm bedtime and it might help?

That'd be GREAT! - I think lots of us are hoping the clock change will be a help 
xx

[squeakersmum]

What A are you doing the 1 nap on when he does it?

Just ask because we had a major prob with our 1 nap getting shorter and shorter (down to 45 mins for a couple of days) - so someone on here suggested putting him down much earlier for it for a day or two.  Luckily for us it worked right off the bat and from 45mins at 12pm - when I put him down at 11 (so an hr less A) he slept for 3 hours!! I did this for 2 days and then went back to 5hr A before nap.

Ben has a pretty late bedtime  - 7.30/8pm so that DH gets to see him - so it works out that he does about 5hr A before and 5hr A after his nap (sometimes less).  We tend to get 11.5hr nights providing nothing is bothering him.

I would go for the nightlight - esp as he is quite verbal!

[londonmama]

Yet again, exact same here Becky.  I'm afraid I give in to the EWs quite quickly because I tried the keeping him in his room thing for weeks and it made no difference - and I can't stand starting the day with screams.  We are back to early bedtime to at least get 10.5 hour nights and 5:00 starts unfortunately.  I am on my own for the next two weeks, and terrified.  We're also getting the odd NWing too.

Right now I am just hoping the time change can save me!

I found that once the molars came through I was able to shift the day later much more easily.  I am hoping it will be the same with canines.

[*Becky*]

This is the last 2 days...
Mon
A - 6am
S - 10.30-10.50am
S - 2.20-3.30pm
S - 6.40pm


Tue
A - 5.30am
S - 9.40-10am
S - 2-3pm
Bed - 6.30pm

Wed
A - 5.30am
S - 9.50-10.10am

[*Becky*]

I am pretty sure this is not teeth. This is him wanting to get up and start the day.

[londonmama]

Yes, I have the same fear (i.e. that it's not teeth).

Maybe another sign you need to push him onto 1 nap, even if short?

[*Becky*]

yes think you are right. Need to get a 6am start...or later x

[*Becky*]

ok so tomorrow I am going to try leaving him for longer before I go to him as it seems that he is worse once I go in and I really do want to persevere with the 6am start. So...I guess I ignore the shouting and just go in once he is properly crying. Is that ok? I feel I have spent so long trying to do things gently and I don't want to just leave him but I do also feel that he is a super spirited boy who is actually fine but just wants to get up so if going to him is making him worse then it is kind of my only option...as well as working on the routine of course. I think I probably have gone to him too soon in the past anyway - I have this awful fear he will get cot phobia if I don't go in straight away which is silly but I do. I am sure I won't be abel to leave him for long anyway but will try a bit more than usual. Just have to tell myself I am not being mean!!!

[babybarr]

I would say not enough A time before bed.....  so a later bedtime or one nap!!  I know we get EWs with that.