can 30/35 mins mean UT?

[kikoz]

Hi,

my lo has been waking after 35 mins after a 3hr and 15mins A time in the morning for 2 day now.
She just turned 7 months for days ago. she is been on 2 naps fo a months now- one of 2 hrs and one of an hour.
this A time has been ideal, she was doing 2 hrs nap on it, then it reduced to 1h15mins and now 3mins... can it be UT?

when that happened yesterday, I kept the 2nd A time the same and took a 2nd nap of 1h15mins.
BUT today, when this happened, we ended up with a 2nd nap of 45 mins...:S

she has always been a good napper... I tried to extend to 3hr 20mins today but as you see it didnt help...

I think she is also teething...


thank you for your thoughts

[becky1969]

Sigh.  This is a debate for the ages, right up there with "which came first: the chicken or the egg?"

At my house, 45 min was ALWAYS OT, and 30-35 min was UT.  However, lots of BW moms swear the opposite! So teh answer is: maybe. 

Since you say she's teething, my guess is she's OT.  Lots of babies get more easily tired while teething.  At 7 months, 3 hours is the 'average' A time, so at 3h15 she's already stretching a bit for the age.  I might back down to 3h and see what happens.  Stay there for at least 2 days and report back!

[kikoz]

Hi, good to know that 30/45 can be interchanged for OT/UT!
Here 30 is OT and 45 usually UT but obviously that time it was OT... right?
And 3hr15 have been working for us for less than that she was having very short naps, but like u say since she s teething I shud probably cut bk a bit.
but then I have two questions to clarify please:
- is this generally interchanged for the same baby? I mean if I know that 30 mins is usually OT for my baby, does that mean it will be like that everytime, or it can mean UT? and what about the 45mins?
- what does the BW books say about this? can t seem to find that anywhere.

my lo has been having 1hr 15mns naps for a 3hr 15mins A time. I thought I should be extending a bit, and tried that one time and we ended up in a 30mins nap. I am assuming it is OT since like you said 3hr is average A for her age. Any A a bit a longer than 3hr15mins ends up in a very short nap so definitely OT. and sometimes even the 3hr 15mins ends up in a very short nap, so i m assuming lo needs sometimes a shorter A time.

at least now i know that i should not be extending!... :S

i ll let you know how it goes, so far we are having a good morning nap... but wasnt sure what time she woke up in the morning :S so I just followed her cues :p... we ll c for the rest of the day.

thak you

[kikoz]

Waw! Just had 2hrs nap but have no idea how long was actually her A time ! :S
Will start her WD at 3hrs or 2h55 instead of 3h05...or we ll c... Mayb aftr that nice lg nap 2h05 is gd...
We ll c

[kikoz]

ok we badly need help please...

I am gona describe our naps for the few days for you to get a better image of what s happening:
as I said we ve been on 2 naps for a months now, with very good first 2hr nap and a second 1h15mins nap.
On Easter we went back home for a visit, and since then, 7 days today, naps have gone bad. I was trying there to give her, her 2 naps it was working most of the time.
there was only one hour difference- dont think that has anything to do with it.

so, pls bare with me:

DAY 1:
W 730
1st nap S 10:40-12:35
2nd nap refused to nap
S 6:00 STTN

DAY 2
W 7:00
1st nap S 10:10 - 11:25
2nd nap S 2:45 - 3:15
S 640 (woke again at @ 730 for a bit) STTN

DAY 3
W 6:30
S 9:45-11:00
S 2:10-3:20
S 6:30 SSTN

DAY 4
W 6:10
S 9:25-9:55
S 1:10-2:30
S 6:00- 1NW @ 3:15-hungry

DAY 5
W 6:00
S 9:20-9:55
S 1:15-2:00
S 6:00
DF 1030 ended up waking a bit
STTN

DAY 6
W 5:30
S 8:40 - 9:55
S 1:30-2:00
S 6:00 SSTN

DAY 7
W 5:15 left her in bed till 6- slept a bit
S 8:30-10:30
S 1:30- 2:05
S 6:00...


2 weeks our typical day was:

W 6:30
S 930-10:45
S 1:45-2:30
S 6:15
WITH A DF STTN

I decided to extend to 15mins bc the 1st nap got cut from 2hr to 1hr 15... I think that was  big mistake bc now all her naps have gone wonky...but i m ery confused, how come she sleeps for one nap on 3hr 15 and OT on the other for the same A time. I thought it mayb UT but now i have no idea....

I need your wise advice please!

thank you

[charmie]

Could the trip have tired her?  And OT building up?

What I would do in such a situation;

After 2.5hrs of a time go really quiet.  No noisy toys, no tv, no tickling or anything stimulating.  Maybe some soft singing, reading, low lights...  and watch her cues. 


xxx
charm

[kikoz]

Yes maybe going bk to 3hrs A time is best and I better stick to it, n if the naps go as short as 1hr15min ill add 5mins not more..
God I think I really messed things up n now OT is written all over...
Thx charmie for ur support, I thought I knew better!

[kikoz]

hi, so 2 days passed! it felt like forever!!!!
I put her back on 3hr A time

DAY 1
wake 5:15
S 8:15 - 9:00
S 12:10 - 1:35
S 6:30 ... ( had to go DR at 5 so could nt put her earlier... I tried to AP a CN at 4:30 but with no use!)

DAY2
W 5:15
S 8:20 - 9:40
S 12:50-2:15
S 6:00 - a bit long but she wouldnt sleep before that....

now what, today was the first day I get 2 good naps out of her! but not sure what to do next...I guess stick to that for a bit longer and try to put her to bed earlier till we are back on the normal EW she had previously which was between 6 and 630?

getting very tired from the 5:15 wke up call...

thanks for your imput

[kikoz]

Ladies anybody out there?
Shud I be trying w2s? Or maybe itsnt worth it if her naps r not straightened first

[kikoz]

hi,
so today we had 2 beautiful naps one of 2hrs and one 1hr 30 mins which enable us to extend automatically the bed time till 6:20.
I guess if she still wakes up at 5:15 tomorow then I ll assume its OT and will push for very early bedtime whenever needed...
otherwise...do you think W2S is worth a try? it will totally drain any energy left out of me if I try it ... but it will help then I ll do it.
i ll be moving to general sleep issues since the naps are fine now.
thank you

[becky1969]

I wouldn't do W2S.  It sounds like OT is the culprit, and W2S won't really fix that.  It's for more of a habitual waking rather than one CAUSED by something, you know?

Hang in there! You've nearly got her sorted!

[charmie]

1hr 15, 1hr20 could still mean OT. If she was at 3hrs A time before she became OT, now she probably needs less A time. 

However if you keep shaping the day according to her wake up time, you'll be stuck with EW's forever.  So here's what I would do;

Let's say your desired wake up time is 7am.  Do 1st nap at 9.30 no matter at what time she wakes up.  Don't let her sleep past her feeding time.  Do another 2.5hrs A time and nap again.....  I know it sounds crazy, but I promise you this worked for us and for many other mums.  It will help you get rid of EW's and OT, and put your day back on track.

Wouldn't bother with W2S either on this occasion.

xxx
charm

[kikoz]

Hi Charmie and thanks for your advice.

the wonderful Jane on NW advised me to do the same. I had already started to cut on A times and went back to 3hrs + 5/10mins and was starting to have more full naps. I was also putting her to bed quite early. so decided to wait a couple of days. so now we are back to regular wake time. its been 3 days only and i m still walking on egg shells!

I think with the better naps and the early bedtimes, the accumulated OT was recovered if that makes any sense ...

Jane had suggested that plan and advised also on another more gradual one, bc my baby is touchy and OTs very quickly...

is there a thread or a sticky about that set morning nap that resolves EW? I would really like to read more about it, bc I was thinking about it and had so many questions.
(((hugs)))))

[charmie]

I'm glad it's getting better   

As far as I know there is no sticky on the EW's approach I suggested, unless they added one lately.  I am not on as much as I used to be.  Unfortunately I don't have much time to look it up for you as we are going to leave the UK and move to the states in the next couple of days.  If you want to try to find it I suggest you look into the Night Wakings board.  But will try to look it up myself as soon as I get a chance.


xxx
charm 

[kikoz]

Hi and thx for your good intentions.I have tried to look it up before but was nt able to find it.
There is smthg on getting back on track and time zone change that jane have showed me but its the gradual plan, not that one.
 Pls don't worry about it, you have a lot going for u. I ll ask around , I'm sure the ladies will explain.
Many thx and good luck with your move X