1 nap still not working

[Tweakster]

Yeah I mean like falling over and the total zoned out look in his eyes...that little phase just before second wind. 

[*Jo*]

Ok well we had stirrings and a Nw and then an EW at 5.40am so I'm thinking he was OT, he had just over 10.5 hours sleep, i don't think I should push him further, but I just can't find that sweet spot of an A time for him, he got really hyper yesterday before naptime so I think I missed it, however 2 weeks ago when we were in NZ hewas doing great at 5 hours 20 min and doing decent naps too, now it's not happening.

[*Jo*]

oh scrap that thought, DH told me that Caleb had done Poos this morning and thats probably what woke him, they were hard and dry (gosh where else can you comfortably talk about poos but at BW! lol) and then he had another BM at 8am which were alot softer, so maybe just that??? anyway we took him to swimming and afterwards he was literally falling asleep on us so he was in bed at 4 hours 50mins A time and he slept 1.5 hours! we heard him shuffling around at the 50min mark but it never eventuated into anything so that was great! however its a long time till bedtime, stupid EW's always mess us up! so, my conclusion is taht any A time around 4.45-4.50 hours is good at the moment (when that will change who knows!) especially after an activity, im looking at putting him into care soon as i really think he needs the interaction, i think he may be seriously bored at home with me, he is such a social kid he just loves other kids so Mamma is boring really lol

[babybarr]

my conclusion is taht any A time around 4.45-4.50 hours is good at the moment

Then stick with that...  I guess the issue then is do you try for a catnap or just do early bed?  What do you think?

[*Jo*]

He won't do a second nap anymore but now he's been fightng bedtime which we've never ever had before, tonight I even tried patting him to sleep and he wouldn't do it, he stood up! So DH had to do it instead of me, I made his bedtime 6.30pm so iguess I shouldve made it earlier I just didn't want another Early start

[babybarr]

Oh dear.  I guess you're stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea at the mo?  Will you be able to APOP any sort of catnap?  We don't have a lot of luck ourselves but just thought I'd ask?

Try an earlier bedtime and hopefully he'll pull a good night.

[Tweakster]

Yep it sounds like you are a bit stuck until he has a catch up in A time.  We managed 2 naps over the weekend, 1 in the car and 1 in crib because we had plans and needed to be out of the house during nap time.  But normally we wouldn't get 2 crib naps. 

I know earlier bedtime can mean earlier wake up at this age but really he will be better rested and that is probably better no?

And Finn has actually slept much better since starting daycare, both for naps and nighttime, so the activity level and keeping busy has a lot to do with it.  These social kids just crave stimulation! 

[babybarr]

so the activity level and keeping busy has a lot to do with it.  These social kids just crave stimulation!

Until they start to re-live all this in the middle of the night

[*Jo*]

well he woke up at 5am and i managed to pat him back to sleep (hallelujah!) and he woke up at 6.40am so a 12 hour night, but i never have to pat him back to sleep so either OT or im becoming a prop with the patting!!!! which is something i feared....

i can try an APOPd catnap tonight in the car, its getting harder and harder to get him to take a second nap, even the old tricks are taking longer and longer to work and sometimes they dont at all.

DH is looking after Caleb today as i have to be out this morning and this afternoon so not sure how today is gonna go

[*Jo*]

DH had Caleb asleep at 5 hours 15mins and he slept 1 hour 20mins so that wasnt too bad and in bed by 7pm with no fuss...... but then awake for the day at 5.40am

I just dont get it, i cant figure this out, every second day he does a 10.5 hour night and the other night he does 12 hours, so what am i missing?

[alohahellokitty]

I have been following this nap situation and I'm at a total loss. Sorry to to be of any help. But wanted to offer ((((hugs)))))

When our LO's are crazy like this its so rough on the WHOLE family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tweakster]

Jo I am trying to wrap my head around it, it sounds like some sort of weird self-regulating but I would bet if he's not teething or anything then this messy sleep is trying to tell us something.

Can you post the past 2 or 3 days like EAS - let's go over it with a fine-tooth comb.

[*Jo*]

ok here we go

Mon:

awake at 6.20am (11 hours 50min sleep)
nap 11.25 - 12.15 (5.05 hours A time produced a 50min nap, he did not go back to sleep here, i tried wI/WO for 30mins)
bedtime 6.40pm

Tues:
awake at 6.40am (12 hour night)
nap 1 12.10 - 1.30pm (5.5 hours A time, he struggled to go to sleep here, DH had to take over and put him to bed for me as he fought me, had him in his bed at 5 hours 15mins)
bed 7pm

Wed
awake at 5.40am (10.5 hours night sleep)
nap 10.30 - 12 (4 hours 50mins A time, slept 1.5 hours)
asleep 6.45pm (he struggled to fall asleep, was in bed by 6.30 but had to be patted to sleep then woke at 5.05am and i patted back to sleep)

Thurs
awake at 6.40am (12 hours night sleep)
nap at 11.55 - 1.15 (DH was looking after him, said he cried a bit before finally going to sleep 5 hours 15mins A time produced a 1 hour 20 min nap)
bedtime 7pm, he went to bed really easily, woke at around 2am crying out but fell back asleep then woke at 5.30am today

so what do you think?

[babybarr]

Well basically it looks like after a 50min nap you get a 12hr night and a longer nap you get a 10.5hr night OR it's a 12hr night after an earlier bedtime...

I think I would trial the early bedtime and see what happens, rather than change bt for the length of the nap iyswim?

[*Jo*]

yep, i put him to bed at 6.15 tonight. it was strange, i went to put him to bed at 5 hours A time and he refused his nap, so i got him up, figuring maybe his tired signs are bored signs and took him to the park for 20 mins, came home, read him a story and put him to bed, he cried for about a minute but fell asleep and slept for 1 hour 20mins, so his A time was 5 hours 40mins!!! thats huge! but of course because he was up so darn early this morning it was still only 12.30 that he was up and after we went out all afternoon to play at a friends house he was stuffed and needed to go to bed earlier.
so still a 1 hour 20 min nap, i remember when we first started this whole one nap business and i was complaining about 1.5 hour naps and then i started to settle for them, then i got 50 min wakeups and now im starting to settle for 1 hour 20 min naps, it seems what i will settle for is getting less and less, compared to the desired 2-3 hour naps we all want. and it makes me mad when i see friends on FB stating that their child is having 3 hour naps during the day and yet i remember when they were babies and my boy was the one sleeping so well, now theirs is, it almost doesnt seem fair at all!