EW after illness

[huby]

sigh.....still crying now at A time 3hrs 45, and no signs of even being slightly sleepy, just very very upset and angry and totally, totally wired.

[huby]

3hrs 50 now and still crying. Help

[Yazzie]

Oucccccccccccch, sorry sweetie, did you guys end up having any nap @ all, & what time was that?..depending on what time it is on your side, I'm guessing 4 now, if she gave you an OT CN, which she will, maybe try & get another 30 mins CN around 04.30 or so & then bedtime would be maximum 2 hrs later?

[empowered mama]

(((big hugs))))

huby, I went through this exactly last night - it was really really rough.  In this with you - hope things get better for you and our poor little lambs...

[huby]

Hey there,

Nice to know (well not nice, but you know what I mean) there's a few of us out there to support one another.
So here's what happened - we kept on trying for that elusive nap, time and time again. And then at nearly 4 hours, gave up, she was playing hard in the cot and was crying when we left. When we tried to AP her in our arms, she just played and fought the nap!

So, took her out in the car (haven't needed to do that in AGES) and drove her along the motorway for a while - she woudln't sleep until about 20 mins at about 70mph and then nodded off. I drove a bit longer....came home, parked and she woke straight up.

She is fighting that second nap big time. I'm confused with her 5.20 / 5.30 wake-ups I could put her down for a 9am nap (a 3.5) and then one again at about 1.50 / 1.55 ish...so 3 hrs 20mins A time, yet now am being told to try 3hrs ...and even when I try 3hrs 10, 3hrs 20, she fights the nap. Am sooo confused,
shouldn't I be pushing that second A time, not reducing it.

Right, wish me luck, it's 6.20pm and am going to try to put her to bed. Had no luck whatsoever trying for another catnap - despite driving everywhere!

[huby]

Hmm, I have nooo idea what's going on with my LO?! Is this normal.
Last night (when she was OT) and cried hard at bedtime, DH said he lay on her bedroom floor and listened. It's very dark in there, but he said she got up, crawled aorund the cot, laughed to herself and lay down. Did this three times before falling asleep finally.

Tonight, I stayed quietly on her floor (she coudln't see me at all) and she fell asleep, woke, fell asleep, woke, fell asleep, woke until finally after 15 mins at about 7pm she fell asleep with no tears.

What on earth is going on with her. I was just beginning to get used to those early mornings (ok, that's a lie) but was certainly enjoying a well rested 3 hr a day napping baby.

So I don't think the PM A time is working, as she should have at least fallen asleep with some AP and being rocked in DH arms if she was tired. But then again yesterday she woke after about 30 /40 mins.

Shall I just extend that morning A time tomorrow (i was doing this anyway, even when she was ill, she was actually ok on it and did either a 2 hr or 1.5 hr nap) it's the PM ones I had to keep spot on at 3hrs 15 /20. She will do a long nap regardless I think, she always does for the morning even if it's 3hrs 20 or 3hr 30, but not tried anymore yet.

Hmmmm. She's a spitired little tyke whose actually climbed the whole flight of stairs at home again today - where does that energy come from on such little sleep?

[*Liz*]

IS there anything else going on - teeth or developmental stuff?

If you think she is UT for the second nap then by all means extend - you are the best judge as you are there with your LO all day long  .

Hyper behaviour can be very much a sign of OT though  .

[Yazzie]

Sooooooo sorry you had a bad day, but things happen really....although I agree with Liz that the hyper activity sounds OT,although that's what happens with ds, who's also a little spirited guy...!

I agree about extending tomorrow maybe try with the first one & see how things go..?...also, if you get short naps, even if they are UT, you need to cut back a little on the following A, as the lo isn't refreshed enough to do an entire A. Also, some lo(s) prefer to reduce their A times as the day goes on, other needed the As increased, so really depends on the baby.

[huby]

i simply don't have a clue what to do anymore. i feel bad she's so OT and she's now crying her eyes out and it's only nearly 10pm and have been up three times now since.


I don't think she's teething, I did, but then she was actually ill. But she's fine now, i think she's massively OT again.

What would you do, starting from when she wakes - do I estend the first A, or leave it? What do I do with the second A?

Thanks

[huby]

Ahhh, I see. Ok, first A i should do at 3.5 maybe? or maybe even more? I know she can handle 3.5 even on a bad night and sometimes give a 2 hr nap.

What should I do for the second A - try 3 hrs again?

Thanks

[empowered mama]

hey there huby,

just wanted to quickly share what recently happened with us - perhaps it can shed some light for you??

Have been going round and round for weeks, even months as to if DS was EW due to OT or UT.  It may have gone back and forth at some points, but I just realized yesterday that he is massively OT and now we are in a rut.  I kept thinking I needed to extend, extend, extend and though we were getting decent naps he was still waking several times/night and EW.  Now that I realize what is going on, I've had to cut his As from 3.5 to 3 hrs so that he can catch up.  Thought for sure we would get short naps with shorter As, but he proved me wrong.  His days were nearing 14 hrs, and now we are back to 12-12.5 so he can catch up again.

Anyhoo, I really hope this doesn't confuse you or contradict what you are doing (or what others are suggesting).  I just wanted to give you something to consider if in fact she is severely OT.  We now are in such a rut and I have a feeling it may take some time to get out, since it took so long to get in this mess. 

I'm hoping you find the answer real soon - HTH hun and big big hugs....

[huby]

Thanks....strangely she had one NW last night despite the 20 min PM 'nap' and that was, I think in hindsight, because it was so hot we opened her door and the hall window and two large planes flew over and woke her up. She settled again - was upset, but settled within 10 mins of me holding her. She didn't want DH for some reason.
And then slept until 6am. Strange! She did wake at 5.30 but put hersel back to sleep again.
Now more confused that ever.

I think what I'm going to do it extend the first A time and reduce the later one to 3 hrs.

[Yazzie]

Let's extend for 15 mins, keeping the last portion of her A time, low key, doing stuff like waling around your garden, around the house, looking outside the window, you know stuff to keep her up, but not wired

Let's see how that goes & then decide what happens, I'm @ work, so hopefully will be able to check in often

Good luck

[huby]

hi
Just did that - so settled her for 9.15, usually she's asleep by 9am no matter what - now it's nearing 9.20, she cried. think she was OT and wired. She thrashed around a lot in her cot before finally dropping off....I'm guessing we're now going to have a short AM nap as well. And it would be one of those days where family is descending!

[huby]

Just had a thought....do you think she's not settling because of Seperation Anxiety. She's getting very clingy lately and never was before, and started to cry when I left her room and said 'go to sleep'. And last night with her NW, when DH went she was screaming, but as soon as i went in she calmed right down and went to sleep. Perhaps I have to stay in the room with her and hide or at least not let her see me walk out?

Ok, not sure how to play the PM nap now. Usually she's fine on 3hrs 15 mins, today she woke around 6ish (not sure exact time, give or take five mins and she fell asleep at 3hrs 20 mins.....of course depends on how long this nap is. am nervous