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Brand New to Easy: Questions
« on: June 21, 2010, 12:25:17 pm »
DS is month and 1 day old.  He was born 5 lbs 10 oz.  Until this point I had been changing his diaper every time before a feeding.  And after a feeding if he was sleepy, I let him sleep.  Most naps had been on me.  He'd been eating every 3-4 hours 3 oz. at this point.  I want him to learn to self-soothe and not get days/night mixed up and sleep longer at night so I decided to give this a try with recommendation from a friend.  I tried it yesterday and there is not need to post a schedule because it went horribly.  Most daytime feedings he wanted to sleep and I kept him awake, but after activity I saw cues within 20-30 minutes after feeding, I rocked him until he was fast asleep, layed him down, and he'd wake up immediately or 20 mins. after.  I tried the shh/pat method for 30 mins. and he just kept getting upset and red in the face.  I tried giving pacifier, but it kept falling out.  He tried his fingers and made too loud of a sucking noise and scared himself and shook and wailed.  Last night I woke him at 11 for dreamfeed and he didn't eat all the feeding and woke up 2.5 hrs later with bad pooting/hurting him.  His last nightfeed was around 4 am, put to sleep fast asleep, and on/off from 5 am to 7am his would whiny and whimper and cry a tad.  I tried to let him sooth alone since it was 2 seconds long and a few minutes to 10 minutes apart. 

Now for questions: (Please don't direct me to other posts, articles, or etc. I've read them and I'm confused still. I need real detailed responses PLEASE!

Do you really wake them up for activity during the day if they fall asleep after a day feeding?

How do you put them asleep for naps? Awake? Drowsy? Fast asleep after rocking?

If they wake up instantly after laying down for nap? What EXACTLY do you do? (detailed) And for how long before you give or know you should pick them up?

What if while you are trying to get them to sleep for nap and they poop? Do you change it or leave it? DS started making poop while I was trying to shh/pat and I was clueless of what to do. I don't think he likes his diaper too wet or poopy cause he kept wailing.

What if he doesn't nap and doesn't want feed until 4 hours since last one even though at this age it should be 2.5 or 3 hrs?

Is it okay if he doesn't take the whole dreamfeed?

For night feedings do you put to sleep awake? drowsy? fast asleep after rocking?

How do you handle shh/pat or whatever if they wake up when you lay them down for night sleep or wake up shortly after?

DS doesn't like his swing, bouncer, and not so sure the fan making white noise in his room is helping that much.

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Re: Brand New to Easy: Questions
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2010, 17:45:24 pm »
Hi TEacher_lady,

First of all, welcome! I want to share with you a few of the things that worked for us, but keep in mind every LO is different. What I wish someone had told me when I started BW is that you should ENJOY the first 8 weeks of their life and not worry so much about getting them to sleep on a 'schedule.' They are going to wake after 20 minutes at this age because of the moro reflex and you can do a few things to try to stop this (HTTJ for example) but this didn't work for us and it was just something she had to outgrow.

BW is not a schedule, but a response to the babies' cues. So what you should be working on right now is recognizing sleepy cues, hungry cues, etc. LIke I said I started from Day 1 with BW and it wasn't until 10 weeks that she finally fell asleep on her own. Those first 10 weeks were pretty rough on me because I was trying to teach her how to fall asleep on her own and she just couldn't do it yet. She needed me to help her! (I now feel that this is all normal!)

So that being said let me see if I can answer a few of your Q's:

Do you really wake them up for activity during the day if they fall asleep after a day feeding?

At this age, you should try to aim to keep them awake after a feed---setting up the EASY pattern but you have a newborn and sucking is comfort for them at this age. Sucking=comfort=sleep so if they fall asleep and you know they're tired. Let them sleep. If you feel compelled to try BW at this age, aim for the EASY pattern for one nap and then do what you have to do for the rest.

How do you put them asleep for naps? Awake? Drowsy? Fast asleep after rocking?

YOu need to come up with a wind down pattern that you can handle. For us, we shut the blinds, turned on the sound machine, turn off lights and then we would sing a song in the dark. Then once she did the seven mile stare (eyes looking off in the distance) I'd put her in the crib. She'd often start crying immediately and for the first 10 weeks I did a balancing act of putting her down too sleepy and too awake.

The best advice I can give you here is to set up good habits---don't always put them in the swing to sleep, etc. Do your WD process the same time every time (good to develop habits for you and your LO). Then as your LO ages, you shorten the WD time so that you aren't singing to sleep, rocking to sleep etc. It takes a LONG time.

If they wake up instantly after laying down for nap? What EXACTLY do you do? (detailed) And for how long before you give or know you should pick them up?

This is very common in the first few months of life---that moro reflex. Is your LO swaddled? That is KEY! For me, if she woke up, I'd start the whole WD process again (see above). I never let her cry.

What if while you are trying to get them to sleep for nap and they poop? Do you change it or leave it? DS started making poop while I was trying to shh/pat and I was clueless of what to do. I don't think he likes his diaper too wet or poopy cause he kept wailing.

This is your own comfort level. For me, my LO slept so briefly and the poop didn't bother her so I changed it as soon as she woke up. If he is wailing, clean him and start the process again.

What if he doesn't nap and doesn't want feed until 4 hours since last one even though at this age it should be 2.5 or 3 hrs?

In the daytime feed every 2-3 hours regardless. Let him go as long as he can at night. This will help straighten out day/night sleep. you want him to eat as much in the daytime so he'll sleep at night. So feed him in the day!

Is it okay if he doesn't take the whole dreamfeed? We never did the DF. It always woke her up. So I can't comment on this. It also didn't seem to make a difference in terms of when she woke at night regardless of DF or not.

For night feedings do you put to sleep awake? drowsy? fast asleep after rocking? I did the same WD process for night as I did in the day. Consistency is key. The only thing differently I did at night was the BT routine---bath, bottle, book. If it wasn't bath night, we did a massage instead. I still do this to this day. She loves it.

How do you handle shh/pat or whatever if they wake up when you lay them down for night sleep or wake up shortly after?
 
I could never get my LO back to sleep using shh/pat. So at this age, if she woke up after shh/pat I would do whatever I needed to in order to help her get the sleep she needed and to prevent her from being OT. That is your GOAL right now too, watch those cues so you don't end up with an OT baby. That makes it rough!

I hope this helps---if something isn't clear, please ask me to clarify. But don't put too much pressure on yourself right now, enjoy that baby! It goes by too fast. :)

Meg



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Re: Brand New to Easy: Questions
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2010, 20:53:57 pm »
What if you lay him down for a nap with that sleepy stare and you check on him 20 min. later and he laying there awake??????

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2010, 21:22:49 pm »
self-soothing time part of nap time?

is WD part of nap time?

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Re: Brand New to Easy: Questions
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2010, 21:26:05 pm »
If he's still laying there with a sleepy stare I would try shush-pat. If that's not working then I would rock him to sleep. No, it's not independent sleep but sleep is not always easy at this age and the most important thing is THAT he sleeps. There is plenty of time to teach independent sleep at 10-12 weeks.

Self-soothing and wind down are both part of awake time. Sleep is only sleep - everything else is A time.





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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2010, 21:32:05 pm »
He didn't cry he self-soothed with eyes open/eyes closed etc. for 30 mins. I didn't shhh/pat cause he didn't cry and I was afraid I'd stimulate him. Was that right to do?

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Re: Brand New to Easy: Questions
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2010, 21:37:16 pm »
Yeh it was. I wouldn't let it go on more than 30 mins or so though, because when they're this tiny they get overtired so quick.





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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2010, 21:41:25 pm »
Well he just laid there as still as could be staring at the wall. This is the first time he's ever done this. I'm ecstatic!

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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2010, 23:46:18 pm »
Sounds like you are making progress. Some people say that crib time counts as 1/2 A time---so if he's still in the crib for 30 min, you'd really say that's only 15 min of A time. However at this young of an age they can get OT super easy. If he's not fussing I wouldn't intervene, just like you said he can get overstimulated.

We count A time as anything but sleeping---so at his age he should only be staying awake for about 60 min to 1h 15 min. Some babies are less, some more. Mine was pretty predictable with A times so it's nice to know how long they should be awake. I'd start my WD process about 20 min before I wanted her to be asleep. How does he do at night?

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2010, 13:29:05 pm »
Here's how yesterday and today has gone so far.  Please give suggestions and tips!

MONDAY 6/21
Midnight-2:20 AM Sleep in Crib
2:20 AM-3:00 Gas/Rock to sleep
3:00 AM-4:25 Sleep in crib
4:25 AM-5:00 Fed 3 oz.
5:00 AM-7:00 Slept on and off with occassional whines/cries in Crib
7:00 AM-7:15 Wake up
7:15 AM-7:45 Feed and Talk
7:45 AM-8:45 Fell asleep with Dad and onto couch
8:45 AM-10:00 At Dr.’s office
10:20 AM-11:20 Feed 4 oz, changed diaper, and played (looking at each side and tummy time on mat)
11:20 AM-3:15 Slept in swing, fell asleep with pacifier, occasional wake ups lasting 5 seconds or less
3:15 PM-4:15 Feed 4 oz., changed diaper, and played
4:15 PM-4:25 Rocked with Pacifer until eyes almost closed
4:25 PM-5:00 Self-soothed (no crying-wow!)
5:00 PM-5:45 Sleep in Crib
5:45 PM-6:00 Rock and Talk to/Sing Songs
6:00 PM-7:00 Feed 4oz.  and read story to, Change diaper, Rock
7:00 PM-9:15 Sleep in Crib (several shh/pats after initially falling asleep and deep sleep by 8:20)
9:15 PM-1:40 Woke to feed 4 oz. and back to sleep in crib
TUESDAY 6/22
1:40 AM-2:15 He awoke and fed 4 oz./rock
2:15 AM-5:00 After what seemed a successful feed, burp, little rock…He began to strain and poo.  Then, he started a high pitch painful wailing cry.  I changed diaper and rocked. He continue to on and off wailing pain cry.  I put him across my lap on his tummy for a few minutes-no relief.  I put him down flat on couch and rubbed belly and brought up feet/legs-no relief.  I rocked him and put him in crib. Had to constantly get up every 5 minutes or so to shh/pat because he did the same painful wailing cry. Finally, brought him to bed with us and he continued that cry until he fell asleep near 5.
5:00 AM-8:00 Slept in bed with us
8:00 AM-9:00 Gave gripe water, fed 4 oz., changed diaper, play time
9:00 AM-9:15 Rocked
9:15-    Put in crib to sleep


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Re: Brand New to Easy: Questions
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2010, 13:32:42 pm »
I'm really boggled at what happened last night between 2 AM and 5 AM.  I understand every baby will strain some when they poo, but after he did it and changed him...that cry was unlike any cry he's ever had.  It kept coming every couple of minutes and would last a minute.  It was high pitched wailing. And he showed signs of being in pain.  So that's why I gave him gripe water before his feeding this morning. What do think was going on? I know I shouldn't have put him in bed with us but it was so constant and it scared us and it lasted 3 hours.

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2010, 13:44:23 pm »
Also, during the day if he wants to sleep past his 3 hour time for feeding, can I just let him sleep or do I have to wake him up?  Yesterday he slept 3 hours at naptime which passed his 3 hour feeding.  And what about nightime?  Last night I woke up at 9 for his feeding, but I didn't wake him in the middle of late night for a 5 AM feeding because he just finally when to sleep after that whole ordeal.

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Re: Brand New to Easy: Questions
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2010, 13:56:26 pm »
Sounds like gas to me. I think we have all had crazy nights like that at one time or another, fingers crossed it was a one off.

During the day, I would let him sleep past his feed time but personally I only let my guy go over by about 30-45 mins. At night time you could cluster feed every two hours say at 5pm 7pm and 9pm (waking to feed), or do a dreamfeed, but other than that I wouldn't wake him rather let him wake naturally.





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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2010, 13:59:52 pm »
Gas two nights in row? What can I do to stop it?

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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2010, 14:02:13 pm »
I don't know where you are in the world, but you could see if you can get simethicone drops. You give them with every feed and they get the gas to come out when you burp him but they have a cumulative effect and so need to be given with every feed. My little guy had gas much worse at night (and yes, for sure, two, three, even fourteen nights in a row) because when he was sleepy it was so much harder for me to get the burps out!

Sometimes, nothing really helps the gas until they are a little older and better able to deal with it. But gripe water or simethicone and making sure you do a good job of winding after night feeds can definitely help.