Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3

[scucci1979]

stumped again! Asleep by 12pm then woke up at 1:35pm b/c her sister was flipping out. Hubby is trying to settle her now. If not, what time should I do bt? Should I try a 10min cn later?

Grrr...is there supposed to be a regression during this phase?

[clairebear79]

Wow Sabs she can really do some serious A times!

Cyndie - I don't think his BT is too late, nor is the PM nap too late after a 45min nap.  IMHO I think you need to get your AM nap to start a little later.  If you are going to try 30min AM nap I would aim to have it start no earlier than 9.30am.  I honestly think this is what has helped our EW - its not so much the length of the nap but how early it starts.  Touch wood it continues (I may have jinxed it now) but we've had 4 6am or later starts in the last week, and we are doing his nap around 10am.  If you do cut the AM nap shorter you will probably have to do the PM nap a little earlier, maybe 12.30-45, but it should also hopefully extend a wee bit.

Ladies - I took a gamble today & let him sleep as long as he wanted for his AM nap.  And luckily we got a teensy CN in too. 

Wake: 5.55
Nap: 10.17 - 12.32   A = 4h 22  S = 2h 15     (he cried out at 1h 10 but resettled)
CN:    4.37 - 4.50    A = 4h 5    S = 13mins   (fell asleep in car on way home from seaside)
BT:    7.10              A = 2h 20

I'm hoping that allowing him the longer sleep will have helped him to catch up on any OT that had accumulated & then we can start afresh tomorrow.  FX'd the extra day sleep or the CN too late in the day doesn't come back to bite us tomorrow.  What do you think?

[aidenmc]

We had a 5:20 wu this morning and that was after NWs at 1, 3, 4, 4:30 and I had to hold him from 4:30-5:20 (started babbling and waking up to play). Was aiming for a catnap close to 10 but after a poop he had a second wind and wasn't tired  . Got him down for 11:30. woke at 12:40 and got him back to sleep till about 1:15 (in my arms again  ). Anyway, will aim for 6-6:30 and hope for a longer night tonight. I am getting pretty tired from these EWs!

[newmama12]

Claire, or anyone else, do you think I should push it out (later) and cut it short, at the same time? So, let's say...

5:15 WU
9:30-10 nap
12:30/12:45- whenever

Or do I push it out to 9:30 but let him do 45 for a bit?

[*Ali*]

Sabs, if you can do a 10min CN then I would. As long as it won't push her BT too late. Otherwise I'd have her in bed and asleep by 6.30 at the latest. I don't think you can read too much into today's nap if you think she was disturbed by her sister. That is not indicative of how tired she was YK?
Claire I guess all LOs are different but I found a 10-15min sleep would make NO difference to BT or night sleep whatsoever. It would just mean DS didn't get so grumpy before BT. We never planned those type of naps the just happened in the car or buggy etc. by accident. It wouldn't change my plan for BT at all.
Cyndie, personally I would cut it to 30mins first and then push it out once he is used to the new length. Otherwise if you push it out and still allow the same 45mins he might want the PM nap even later than he does now and hence BT will also be later. I think you risk OT if you push it out and cut it all at once.

[scucci1979]

thanks Ali. Well, I wanted to listen to my gut but hubby said do an early bt. Planning to do that. will keep you posted.

[*foxy*]

Hi

So glad there's a support thread for this!

My lo is just over 11 mo. We're struggling with LONG NW's (up to 3 hours) she just wont settle no matter what we do. I thought it might be because she's UT, we've had a lovely bout of teething and she lost a lot of sleep so I was trying to catch her up in the day. However she up for about 1 1/2 hours last night and in the day she had 1hr 40 in the morning and 40mins in the afternoon with a 4 1/2 hr A time before bed which I know is a bit too long but she was exhausted by 1 o'clock and very grumpy. Her day was pushed forward by a 5am wake up!

I'm trying to do a short am nap and long pm nap but she's so tired when I put her down for her am (after either a long NW or an EW or nursery the day before where she never sleeps that well) that I feel she needs a long am nap. I've woken her up before and she cried quite a lot and was grumpy. Should I keep trying with the short am nap as this is what I'd like to do as its easier? We've had nap refusal in the afternoon before.

No idea where to start, its a big mess, oh and because teething was so bad we've been rocking her to sleep so that's another issue that will need sorting!

[clairebear79]

Claire I guess all LOs are different but I found a 10-15min sleep would make NO difference to BT or night sleep whatsoever. It would just mean DS didn't get so grumpy before BT. We never planned those type of naps the just happened in the car or buggy etc. by accident. It wouldn't change my plan for BT at all.

Thanks Ali - that's kind of a relief to hear!

Ladies, we got a 6.20AM WU this morning - 11h 15 night sleep.  Pretty good, esp after I let him sleep at his AM nap,  I guess he had some catching up to do!  We are aiming for a similar day today.

Bellymonster - welcome!  Maybe if you post your current EASY we can all take a look? 

[newmama12]

Thanks for the advice, Ali! I will definitely shorten the nap first. Thinking today's a good day!

Claire, nice night!! Good job Oliver!

This morning I heard J at just before 5am. Ugh! I let him be for awhile and he fussed a bit. I turned down the monitor b/c I was so tired. And, next thing I knew, I didn't hear him again until 6:45! I'm sure he went back to sleep b/c no way he would have played quietly in there for almost 1.75 hours. So, I'm not entirely sure when he woke back up, but I'll take the 6:45! Oh, and yesterday, I let him sleep in the PM and he did 2 hours! Hasn't done that in a long time. Maybe just catching up or something since he did 45 in the AM.

I'm going to see how the morning goes, but I'm aiming for a 9:30-10 nap. Then PM nap around 12:30. We'll have to see how things pan out.

[clairebear79]

Cyndie - 6.45!!!! wowee!!!

Ladies I really can't work O out.  Yesterday his 1st A time of 4h 20 produced a 2h 15 nap, then 4hrs later he did a 13min CN.  Today, same AM A time produced a 1h 30 nap, and he is currently fighting a CN in cot 4hrs later.  Only a few days ago he did a 1.5hr AM nap & took a CN 4hrs later so I thought it'd be about right.  Was he catching up on OT yesterday & now UT today  He's still got big grey bags under his eyes so I'm sure he must be tired.  It seems like every day we get totally different results with the same A times.  Or is it just b/c he's in his cot?  I can't be driving around for hours every day just trying to get him to take a nap!

If he refuses CN its going to be 1 early BT.  Sigh  

Ladies if we continue having this much difficulty getting the CN how should we proceed?  Isn't it recommended to do short AM/long PM if that's what's happening

[scucci1979]

Ladies, we got a 6:40am wu with a 7pm bt. I can't believe she didn't have any nws with a 1.5hour nap.  I was thinking of aiming for a 12pm nap.

Claire, I find that when Alyssa's nights are longer she can handle a little more A.  He won't nap in the stroller?

welcome bellymonster.

[clairebear79]

Claire, I find that when Alyssa's nights are longer she can handle a little more A.

  I think maybe this is where I went wrong today.  I wasn't aiming to stick to the same A time as such, he just happened to start looking tired & got a bit wobbly (though no eye rubbing, fussing or yawning again), so I put him to bed.  Maybe he wasn't *quite* tired enough.

He won't nap in the stroller?

Sometimes...its not a dead cert though.  He is getting a bit resistant to being in the stroller atm & will fight being strapped in & fuss a lot while he's riding.  Maybe he's just trying to assert his independence I'm actually thinking of getting a new one incase its b/c he's uncomfy.

Attempt for CN in cot failed, so I got him up & straight out in the car for a drive.  He yawned, but still no nap.  It was nearing 5pm by then so I went home, did his tea & he had EBT.  Asleep 6.25pm  (not as early as I'd have liked but compromise with DH )  So his day was: A = 4h 25, S = 1h 30, A = 6h 10.  I actually think if I'd have managed to get that AM A time a little longer that could have been quite a good 1 nap day.

I guess I'll have to see how he fares overnight on just a 1.5hr nap & hope he hasn't built up too much OT from that super long A to BT.

Ladies, we got a 6:40am wu with a 7pm bt. I can't believe she didn't have any nws with a 1.5hour nap

This gives me hope! 

[newmama12]

Claire, that's kind of what happened to J this morning. Since I wasn't sure exactly when he woke up, I put him down around 9:20 and it took him a good 10 minutes to fall asleep. Normally, he's out really fast for naps. He still did about 35 this morning. Then 2.45 A and we're a little over an hour into the PM nap. So, we'll see how this goes.

Do you think he was OT? He did 1.5 hour nap, but 4 hour A. Maybe he needed more like 3.75 A?! IDK - just throwin' thoughts out there! I hope you have a good night with him!

[*foxy*]

Thankyou

Our current easy is:

Wake 5am
Nap 8.30 (1hr 40)
Nap 1.10 (she was just so tired, 40mins)
BT - she fell asleep at 6.45, we tried for 6 but she took ages to settle

To be honest it changes every day. She woke at 5.50 today and was at nursery where she had 2 40min naps. She was asleep at 6.10.
How does it sound?

[clairebear79]

Cyndie - I'll keep my FX'd its a good one for you!

Do you think he was OT? He did 1.5 hour nap, but 4 hour A. Maybe he needed more like 3.75 A?!

Don't think so - if he is he usually wakes & cries out at the 30min & 1hr mark & today there was nothing.  Honestly in the last week I've had a couple of days where he's done 3h 40 then a 1.75hr nap or 1.5hr nap, but some days he's done 4h or even 4h 20 & still only done a 1.5hr nap.  Can a 1.5hr nap actually be OT I think yesterday must've been a catch up day as he slept WAY more than usual.  So my thinking is that if I want a 2hr+ nap every day, then his A time needs to go towards 5hrs.  

Ladies how quickly would you suggest I increase A times?  5 or 10mins every few days or do I just go for it & PD when he seems tired even if its 30mins later than usual???  

Bellymonster - does she always nap so early in the day (8.40am)?  IMHO I would first try & work on gradually pushing that AM nap a bit later in the day (ideally 9.30am earliest), as this will just keep encouraging the EW.    We have just been through exactly this situation - DS has EW for 6months & we found he always wanted to nap between 8-8.30am b/c he was so tired from the EW.  However, I have consistently pushed his nap a little later (say 10mins) every few days, and this has helped us to reach a decent BT (7pm) instead of having a super early BT (6pm) every day, and both of these things have REALLY helped with our EW.  In the last week we have actually had five 6am or later WU's which is unheard of in our house!!!  DS is now taking his AM nap around 10am.  It is not without its difficulty though, as she WILL get tired. 

The other ladies might have other thoughts on this.... but IIWM I would try this BEFORE you start with any nap cutting as from your EASY she's getting around 2h 20 day sleep which is not excessive - is this typical for her?