Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3

[newmama12]

Dang! Barely got a 1.5 hour nap this afternoon. Max A will have to be 4 hours. But, maybe he'll sleep good. Tomorrow's his 1st birthday party! He needs to be well rested.

[*foxy*]

Hi

Clairebear - same as you, I put her down at 8.30 cuz she's just so tired and grumpy by then but yes I can push it out by ten mins so its not so early. Would you recommend waking her after 45mins even if she's so tired by the time I put her down? And then go for a short A time and a long pm nap?

[clairebear79]

Cyndie - I'll keep my FX'd!

Bellymonster - tough call.  Maybe some other mama's have some suggestions/advice?  I have actually recently tried both pushing out & capping our AM nap at the same time to try & rescue us from 6 months of EW.  We went as far as to cut the AM nap to 20mins & pushed it out as far as 10am.  His wakeup did improve (from 4-5am to 5-6am), BUT he also got pretty OT in the process.  So in the last week, we have actually switched to long am/short pm even though I would have preferred to keep a short am/long pm routine.  Since doing this our WU's have improved further & I think the fact that he can take a big long nap after being pushed in the AM helps to mop up any OT that might have accumulated.  Of course, now we are getting rid of the EW, we have PM nap refusal to deal with instead!!!  Ultimately, it all comes down to what suits you & your LO as to which route you take.  As I said in my last post though, IMHO I would try & get that AM nap a little later first BEFORE you cap any naps.  It might be that is enough to resolve your issues.  If EW continue, then yes I'd say look at cutting one nap back.

[*foxy*]

Thanks clairbear, I'll see how we go with a later am nap.

Good luck to everyone else. Naps and sleep times seem to have taken over my life!

[lulunut]

Wow!  I have missed a lot!  Hugs to everyone!  Sounds like some good and some not so good days!  Chin up!  It does get better.

Clairbear- I did 10am and 2pm for both my LO's.  I stuck to this as much as possible until I could push A times.  Then I slowly moved them together.  I only allowed max 2 hours for the whole day.  BT always remained the same 7:30-7:45.  I AP my babies!

Ambinsi-I understand what you are going through!  I am sorry that you are so frustrated.  I may not work right away but if you can get your LO on one nap it will be a bit easier with the new LO.  Don't fight it too much.  It may not happen right away which may also work since your new LO will be sleeping every 3-4 hours!!  I agree with feeding lunch before.  I do that and bottle when he wakes. 

Bex-how are things?

We almost had a 2 nap day recently.  His sister had an appt and he fell asleep in the car for 10 min.  I woke him up and kept him very busy until his usual nap time.  I can't go back to that!!  For the most part we are one nap days however I still can't go anywhere after 10am or he will fall asleep!!  He still does EW's but they are closer to his actual wake time than before.  I AP him until he should get up.  I find that bad nap leeds to EW's.  I also found that too long a nap led to EW's.  So you can't win!!!

[clairebear79]

I did 10am and 2pm for both my LO's.  I stuck to this as much as possible until I could push A times.

What length naps did you do???  Were you doing short AM/long PM?  Our AM nap is generally around 10am, though I am literally just putting down following cues rather than A times or a set nap time.  If he does 1.5hrs or more there is NO WAY he'd go down again at 2pm.

Ladies we got a 5.55am WU so 11.5hrs sleep.   I think the super long afternoon yesterday has worn him out though.  He's been OK this morning but clearly quite tired.  PD as soon as he started laying his head on the floor & falling over - asleep at 10am (A = 4h 05).  So I hope he has a decent sleep & catches up on what he missed yesterday.  And of course, takes the CN this PM.  I feel a long drive coming on  

ETA: Oh poo he woke after just 1h 20.  Yet he seemed so much more tired this AM which is why we PD after a shorter A time.  I think maybe I need to try & get him to at least 4.5hrs A & stick with that for a few days - what do you think???

[Ambinsi]

Thanks Lulunut!! I appreciate the advice and support.

Because she gets that morning bottle and then breakfast, she is not ready for lunch before the nap. I've tried and she's refused to eat much so what I've been doing is giving her a snack before her nap, something to fill her up a little, like a yogurt. As for the bottle upon wakeup, I know she won't take the bottle, then dinner and then another bottle - we're on 2 bottles a day and I'm lucky if she takes those. So there is no more afternoon bottle 99% of the time, I've been opting for an earlier dinner.

However, one thing I want to mention is that I have had some NWs lately. She IS teething (teeth are popping out left and right, I feel so bad for her!) but i've also been offering her bottle to get her to go back to sleep, plus pain reliever. Some nights she takes a few oz, some nights a full bottle, and some nights she STTN. Its confusing. Is this all part of the 2-1 or is it teething? I broke a NW/feeding habit not too long ago so I'm not happy this is happening again but if its teething I truly feel bad for her.

[clairebear79]

Ladies, our day went:

Wake: 5.55am (11.5h night)
Nap:   10.00 - 11.20    A = 4h 5   S = 1h 20
Nap:   3.35 - 4.15      A = 4h 15  S = 40 min
BT:     7.10

Not sure if AM nap was cut short due to him not being *quite* tired enough (though after yesterday he did seem pretty tired if you ask me) OR if it was b/c he had done a poo.  I suspect poo to be the culprit as he still seemed tired after he got up.

He went to MIL's this avo while we visited our new nephew in hospital (8wks prem & soooo tiny) & so I asked her to PD for a PM nap as I knew he'd be tired out.  She PD at 3pm, we got back at 3.30 & he was still fussing a bit but went to sleep soon after.  Woke 4.15 crying & very grumpy - with another dirty nappy - probably why he took so long to settle to sleep & woke up early.  He took quite a while to settle at BT & I'm hoping he'll do a decent night after yet another day of 2h or less total day sleep.

Ladies should I be worried that DS is having less than 2h day sleep most days with a 13hr day?  Is that pretty low for an almost 1YO?  I still have this little OT niggle at the back of my mind & worry b/c he looks so tired & grey around his eyes all the time ATM.  And there is this constant eye twitching going on too - that never used to happen.

[scucci1979]

Claire, I wouldn't worry.    I have been MIA for a little bit b/c I am dealing with my toddler.

Anyhow, still on one naps. They haven't lengthened yet and nights are 11-12hrs.  She can easily do a 5.5hour A with a nap of 1.5hours.   Anyhow, she woke up at 6:15am this morning, took her out at 6:45am and put her down for her nap at 12pm. She slept from 12-2:11pm, with some help from me.     PUt her down at 7pm and she is yapping away atm.  I just can't get her A times right.

[clairebear79]

5.45am WU here only 10h 35 sleep.  Do you think maybe b/c his PM nap was too late in the day/too long   Or just OT at BT from 2 days of short naps   I'm wondering if we are in an UT/OT cycle still as we seem to be getting a couple of really great days/nights then back to a really short one again. 

Sabs - thats a great nap she did yesterday.  Sounds like you are getting there.x

[scucci1979]

Claire, figuring out that last A has been my problem. When she does 5,5hours of A she will sleep 12hours but when it is 5hours, night sleep is shorter. 
we got a 6:15am wu this morning again.  here is yesterday:
wake 6:15am out at 6:45am
nap 12-2:11 (AP half of the nap)
in bed at 7pm but chatted until 7:30pm
Don't know if she was UT or OT here

woke up at 6am got her back down for 20min.

[*Ali*]

Ladies, I wouldn't necessarily worry about LOs taking a while to settle to sleep. It doesn't have to mean they are UT or OT. DS always takes at least 20mins (sometimes 40mins) to sleep at BT after rolling around chatting to his toys and kicking his feet. But he is happy and STTN for 11.5hrs on average and one nap of ideally 2hr15 but can be anything from 1.5hrs to 3hr. I just work it into his routine. So if I want him asleep at 8pm I make sure he is in bed by 7.30 or 7.40pm.
Of course is they are unhappy/crying/fussing or you have to assist then it might be a problem but the time taken is not always indicative of an issue YK?

[scucci1979]

Makes sense Ali. I want an 8pm bt but at the moment she seems to like 7pm. 

[scucci1979]

I don't know why we are stuck on these 1hr and 20min naps. You would think the nap would lengthen by now.  She was asleep by 12pm and woke up at 1:20pm. I couldn't extend this one. Should I try a cn later?

[*Ali*]

Sabs, if she can happily make it to a 7pm BT on that nap and is STTN I would just stick with it.
We have always done 8pm BT and used to get an 8am WU when he first started on 1 nap at 12.5mo. It is more like 7.30am now though with an 8pm BT.