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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2010, 13:09:58 pm »
Hi hsunuks,

I think it's a case of trial and error, really. Some favour short am long pm nap (that worked for us), others do the opposite. And yes for a while till you figure it out she will be a little short on sleep, but they are more resiliant than we give them credit for and can handle it for that short time till things settle down again.

We are there with the transition, and it was pretty easy in the end. Now he wakes anytime after 6, goes tot the bottom of the stairs and points at around 12.45/1 (very cute!), sleeps 1ish till 3 ish and is in bed by around 7.15.

However I may jig things around soon. Since we've been on holiday and he was going to bed later (8-8.30) he's not been settling at night quite so well. not sure if this is just him settling back down after being away when we sat with him while he went to sleep, or whether he needs a bit more pm A time.

I'll keep things as they are until DS1 goes back to school in a couple of weeks and see how things are then.

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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2010, 00:49:36 am »
I see it's been awhile since anyone posted here.  I am having a hard time with the 2-1...if anyone can help, please let me know and I'll fill you in on what's happening!  Thanks!
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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2010, 00:19:49 am »
Hi,

I'm new  here, but it seems like I have a familiar story. My DD is 13 months and is a great sleeper, settles herself for night sleep and her naps. About a month ago she started resisting her afternoon nap, and after 4  failed  attempts at a nap in a row, we decided  that it was time to move to one nap.
 
On a good day it works fine and her day looks  like this:
6.30 am - wake up
7 am - breakfast
7.30 am - breastfeed
9.30 am - snack
10.30 - sleep (4- 4 1/2 depending on wake time) - sometimes  can be  closer to 10.45
12.45 wake
1 pm - Eat
1.30 - BF
3.15  E
5.30 E
5.50 - Bath
6.20 - BF and stories
6.30 - asleep

In 3 weeks time we move to NZ daylight savings time so I plan to keep the same times but maybe  make the bedtime 7pm (current 6pm).  sleeps longer with earlier bed.

However, we do get the odd EW and on days where she has a quieter morning, with no morning playgroup, she will only sleep  for 45 mins. I try and  give her 10 mins to resettle, but sometimes she won't. Plus she can be grumpy when she wakes.  On these days  I try and give her an afternoon nap  but she  can be very resistant to this but will  occassionly sleep  in  a  stroller. Days like today when there's a storm outside  are  tricky.

 I'd  like to get  a consistent  1 1/2 to  2 hour nap -  any tips for this?  She really needs that long middle of day sleep. activity seems to be  key and I wonder if on the no playgroup  days when she  sleeps less if she is undertired?  she's not quite walking yet, but  have others found this  helped?

I have tired  doing a short am  sleep, but this gives me a grumpy OT baby. She seems to prefer a shorter  PM sleep if a 2 sleep day.

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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2010, 00:21:26 am »
Mjaz- I've also been having a hard time w/my almost 13.5 month old. want to swap stories? What's been happening with you?

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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2010, 00:37:39 am »
Sure!  Well, we had a really tough month - vacation, teeth, etc...he was an OT mess and we had a few weeks of really tough NWs.  We got through that and it became obvious to me that we were in the 2-1.  So...I was trying a long am/short pm routine and that worked brilliantly for about a week.  And then the morning am nap went from 1.5 hours to 30 mins and seemed very OT, even though the A time was the same.  So it looked like:

wake: 6am
A: 3:45
S: 9:45-11:15
A: 4:00
S: 3:15-3:45
A: 3:15
asleep: 7

With some advice on these boards, I have started to try the short am/long pm routine...but A) he doesn't like to be woken - he's always a grump and b/c of that I HATE doing it and B) I can never get the middle A time right.  So today looked like:

wake: 5:45
A: 3:26 (was shooting for 3:45 and he passed out right away!)
S: 9:11-9:49 (was going to wake him at 45, he woke at 38)
A: 3:30
S: 1:19-2:24 (would not go back -total of 1:05)
asleep: 6:30

I think nap 1 was UT and nap 2 was OT?  Ugh.  What's going on with you?

Melinda
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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2010, 03:22:35 am »
Hey Melinda,
Sounds pretty crazy. I'm not sure how helpful I can be- I myself am new at this and obviously trying to figure out the same thing...so take whatever I say like a grain of salt! Sorry if it's a bit discursive. I'm really tired and tried to be as lucid as a I can...but no promises!

I would say first- obviously you have to trust your motherly instincts b/c you know your child best, but make absolute sure that your LO is ready for the 2-1 switch. I had a false alarm a couple of months ago and I thought my LO was ready...but really all she needed was an adjustment in her "A" time, and once I changed it, she happily went back to 2 naps.

If you are absolutely sure that your LO is ready, would you try aiming for just one nap? That's been my goal with my daughter. Maybe if you focus on one nap (which will hopefully be longer, and therefore more consolidated and rejuvenating sleep), your LO will eventually adjust and feel less OT? I think in general with these transitions, it takes time for their little bodies to adjust...I also, btw, agree with you. I would never wake a sleeping baby...

I never aim for a cat nap. I personally think cat naps are a waste- not really rejuvenating for the baby at all since they're so short! I don't even know if the cycle through a complete sleep cycle in that time. I hear the purpose, if it will keep your child from having a meltdown, but if your child can handle the day without it, why bother? When your LO is overtired, is he very cranky?

Another thing- my older sister (who has 3 kids) told me that when going through transitions, it's always tough for at least a few weeks until the baby adjusts (and that has been my experience to, with previous sleep transitions). So with my LO for example- she's not quite ready to give up 2 naps, but she definitely does not need 2 complete naps anymore. I think she'll ultimately adjust to being awake for a longer period of time in the morning, but I keep telling myself it's just going to take time for her to adjust to it. The gap between not quite needing 2, but not quite ready for one is the torturous transition that hopefully will pass quickly!!! Being able to go with the flow is absolute key, I think (my husband always has to remind me of that!!!) But make sure you're giving your LO enough time to adjust to a new routine. It sounds like you had been doing a great job with routine before- so it probably will be somewhat difficult for your LO to all of a sudden change it up.

Here's what has been happening with my daughter. She had been a great napper- 2 naps every day for about an hour, sometimes more each. She also is a great night time sleeper- 12 hours almost without a peep!

Within the past month, her napping has gone bonkers- she could take her morning nap but if she did, no chance of any afternoon napping (she thank G-d puts herself to sleep- so I do a nap time routine and put her in her crib awake...she then will sometimes cry for a few minutes, then settle down to play for a bit and eventually fall asleep. On days when she took a morning nap, for about 2 weeks, she would not fall asleep when I put her in her crib at what I felt was the "right" time for an afternoon nap (I waited 2 weeks to rule out putting her down at the wrong time- OT or UT...so unless I kept getting it wrong for 2 weeks, I knew she was ready to switch things up to one nap. I also wanted to make absolutely sure that this was legit and not due to something else).

The issue I've been having is mainly that I find she keeps collapsing from tiredness! I work part-time and have her w/a baby sitter in the AM (until noon). I think that I'd rather keep my LO up for the whole morning, and get her to take a nice nap sometime around noon. I think that time makes a lot of sense (I think 11:30am would make more sense...but I'm not around at that time to enforce it!) And then she'll be up for the rest of the day until bedtime. The reason why I want to do it like that is because if she's awake for so long in the afternoon, I have a harder time at bedtime. It's definitely not terrible, but I think she'll feel better with more spaced out sleep.

She's not a cranky baby and handles herself really well- I just hate having her fall asleep from what seems to be exhaustion...and I don't know how to fix it! I just can't figure out when I should be getting her to nap and how to avoid what seems to be the impending exhaustion! I have been second guessing myself a little bit about whether or not I'm doing the right thing...but I don't see an alternative right now! I just don't think she would catnap, and it wouldn't be worth the struggle to try! I hate being that mommy with the baby who just collapses...I just keep telling myself that this will pass and everything will work itself out. I carefully monitor her sleep patterns every day to see if something sensible emerges...I'm still holding out and hoping it will....

Another thing that I also find to be very important that I learned only after much frustration with napping- "you" cannot force a child to do anything- you can only create the conditions that will enable the desired outcome (akin to "You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink). I just keep telling myself that I can't force her to nap, I can only offer her the appropriate conditions to help facilitate a nap taking place.

what do you think?
SBekritsky

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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2010, 05:34:15 am »
Hi,
Don't mean to butt in, not sure if I start a new thread or not... here it goes...

Alex is 15 months old tomorrow!  Over the last 4 weeks, I've been struggling with the AM nap.  He still needs it and so do I!  I have a 4 year old who gets home from school at 1ish winds down to nap at 2pm - which is what Alex did as well when the AM nap was 9:30-10:30am.  So the 2pm nap routine worked well until now.

If Alex catnaps at around 10am then, I can get him down at 1:30/2pm with Jack (4 year old).  However, he is impossible to get down in the AM until around 11am then he is ready but, that's too late because then he won't go down later in the day.  Like today, he slept from 11-12:15pm, ate lunch picked up brother and then I kept my 4 year old up just to help me keep Alex entertained which wasn't good because Jack needed his nap too.  ARGH! 

My question is, how do I get Alex down for a quick 10am catnap?  He is SO hard to put down.  Lately, I've been running errands or going to the gym so that he'll catnap in the car.  However, I can't do that every day and I'd like there to be some consistency. 

Here is what he used to do:

7:30am WAKE and EAT
9:30am - 10:30 SLEEP
12pm EAT
2pm SLEEP
7:30 (now 8pm) SLEEP

Thanks for any advice as to how to get through this transition!


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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2010, 04:29:30 am »
This is where I am at right now with my 15.5 mth old:

7:15 Wake up
10:15-10:45 1st nap (wake at 30 minutes)
2:30-4:15ish 2nd nap (usually between 1.5-2hr nap)
7:45-8:00 Bedtime

I've noticed that Tanner's A time in the morning has gotten less!  He is so tired way before 3 hrs!  But then even after a short 1st nap, he can still go nearly 4 hrs for his 2nd nap.

I'm so happy that he is napping well RIGHT NOW, because when he is awake, he IS A BEAR.  Teething (2 eye teeth just popped through the other day), and he is NOT a happy guy...fits galore.  Very unlike his personality.  I need every minute of sleep from him in the day that I can get!  lol
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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2010, 22:40:47 pm »
Hey there,
Does anyone have experience with getting to the point of only needing 15 or 20 minute nap in the morning to make sure the pm nap happens?  This seems to be where we're at.  She wants 4 hours A after a 30 minute nap now, and we can't squeeze it all in with that.  Just wondering if I should bite the bullet and try for one nap, or keep this little cat nap in the morning.  Anyone in the same boat or been there?

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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2010, 22:44:34 pm »
hi sparrow - i haven't been there - just now starting to think about cutting the a.m. nap cuz she's refusing the p.m.
but on the "baby" 2-1 board there were a few moms who were down to 15/20 min. naps and i think they kept them because it helped with scheduling lunch - one mom said that without that little cat nap her dd was too tired to eat lunch and then wouldn't nap well. something to think about.
dd has never been a good napper but lately she's taking a nice 1.5 a.m. nap and refusing the p.m. nap. like the pp she is soooo tired by 3 hours A time in the morning but then can go all day - we end up going with a 6/6:30 bt since she's waking from her first nap by 10:30 or 11. it's crazy! and the last 2 hours she's such a bear - so tiring. i don't really feel ready to tackle this right now but i guess she is!  :P
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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #55 on: November 26, 2010, 04:51:51 am »
hi there, I'm suspecting my DD is going thru 2-to-1 but I do not see her issues here on this board...

I just returned to work and she's staying with my dad. The first few weeks was great, but now she's having problems with naps.

Her old routine:
wake up at 6:30am
Nap 1 at around 10am or later for 1 hour
Nap 2 at around 3pm for 1 hour
BT at around 8pm

But recently, she is staying up longer and longer before Nap 1. She doesn't show sign of tiredness until 11:30 or later... and today even though she was tired at 11, she refused to go down until 1pm! and still only nap for 1 hour.

Because her nap 1 is delayed, there is not enough time for her to nap again before I leave work, hence she has to nap in the car for 30 min from 4:45 to 5:15.

When we get home, I need to make dinner/feed her/bath her/BF her... by the time we lay her down it's about 7:45, and it's getting harder to fall asleep (usually until 8:30)  I tried earlier BT around 7:30 but she refuses (probably because she woke up from nap 2 at around 5pm?)

One of my biggest concern is it's almost impossible to get her nap more than 1 hour.... where everyone else on this forum naps for 2 hours when transitioned to 1 nap! I don't know how to get there!

Also, she's slept thru the night since she was one month old. but recently, she cries at 3am for 30sec-1 min or so.. also she used to wake up at 6:30-7:30.. but now she wakes up at 5 if I don't do W2S...

I think she's definitely OT by now... but I don't know how to help her! espeically I need to convery instructions to someone else (my dad) to help her transition or extend nap....

pls help........

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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2010, 02:16:57 am »
Hey everyone, it seems like we all have alot of questions and no one really has any answers!

We too are going through the 2-1 transition, where DS is not quite ready for 1 nap but is difficult to get him down for 2. Currently (most days) we are doing shortAM/longPM because he refuses the PM nap if he has more than 45mins in the AM.
Since he started walking his A times have dropped back a bit, so this is helping me get in the 2 naps, because in the morning a typical A time is only 3hrs (used to be up around 4!) and then the A times get longer throughout the day, and especially the last A time before bed is the longest because he gets the big afternoon nap and seems to need a full A time afterwards before being tired (and like last night ends up refusing BT and eventually becomes OT ::) )
I'm not sure if anyone has any ideas on how I might stop the BT refusal as I really dont want that to become a habit! Currently only having about 2hrs DT sleep in total and not sure if i want to cut that back as we do seem to be constantly on the verge of OT...

Our typical day goes:
7am wake & BF
8:30am Breakfast
10:30am Sleep 30mins
11 up and Playtime
12 Lunch
2:30pm Sleep 1.5hrs
4pm wake & Play
5:30pm Dinner
6:30pm begin WD routine, wash, change, story, BF and Bed
7:30pm Asleep

I'm going to read back through the posts now and see if I can contribute to someone elses questions...
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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2010, 03:03:21 am »
Cathy - Do you think he would be ok with one nap earlier yet? My only thot is that he might go down for BT better if he was up from the longer nap earlier? I "hear" they eventually learn to tack on more time to their only nap.

I'm sure hoping that will happen for DD. She won't take a second nap no matter when I cap the first one so I've just stopped trying and we're going cold turkey. I honestly don't know what else to do and we have awful NWs. I've tried every APOP in the book - nursing, driving around, cuddling. Just won't fall asleep. I'm just hoping she'll "learn" to sleep past one hour for her only nap...
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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2010, 22:44:42 pm »
Hey Jaci, recently we have done the occasional one nap day like that, where he has had a long nap just before and over lunchtime, but he cant sustain himself to do that everyday right now.
I think the more recent BT (and nap time) refusal is due to teething as the times i have administered some pain relief lately he drops off within 10mins. Its confusing though because his nap "refusal" isn't crying, it's just dancing around in the bed for an hour or so. Which can easily be taken for UT, but just through some trial and error i've found that it isnt! Right now he's happiest on 2 naps of about 1hr each (thats what happens if i let him sleep without capping the first nap and actually manage to get in the second nap somehow) or i cap the first nap at 30mins and then get 1.5hrs in the afternoon.

I think the teething and walking is encouraging the second nap right now too some i'm happy to stick with two naps for a while yet! As much as I enjoyed those consistent one nap weeks we had back when he was 11mo, those days seem like a wee way off yet.
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Re: Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3
« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2010, 02:59:36 am »
Hi Cathy, so do u mean u moved back to 2 naps after trying having only one nap?

I'm concerned my DD is suffering from OT as her NW has worsen ALOT in the last two days... She rarely or close to never NW before.....  Wondering if we should move back to 2 naps... Bt simlar to Jaci, my DD seeps UT for AM nap....