Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3

[inoella]

Ugh! Had such an awful night! Hasn't been this bad in months! Up at 12, 3, and 4 - basically for the day! I held her off and on from 4 to 5 but finally gave up and let her play quietly in her room but by 6 she was antsy and hungry so up for the day. Finally down for a nap by 9 and hoping she sleeps at least 2 hours. I hate this! I was just getting used to STTN myself after an awful first year!  Hoping we get 2 good naps today. She's just soooooo much happier with more sleep - and ofcourse I am too. 

Lori - are you starting just one nap yet or still just dealing with the nap resistance? Would be great it LO2 tooks cues from LO1, huh? 

[jackman]

Jaci - sorry to hear about your horrible night. We are there too with multiple NWs every night regardless of what I do. Just wanted to mention, that the 2-1 trans for babies is alot more active and there are a couple of us with toddlers who are creeping on that board as there might be more advice. Just FYI. Not saying this board isn't great or the right one, but the other is much more active if you are in some desperate need for help. Here is the link:

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=185113.0

[~Lori~]

Jaci,  We've had 2 days of 1 nap only.  Yesterday was only 1.5hrs and he was TIRED and cranky.  Today, he is currently sleeping and it's been almost 2 hrs.  He was SOOOO tired before nap time!

[inoella]

Lori - yeah for a 2 hour nap! All my LO EVER does is 1 hr. 20 min.... Which is OK if she's still taking two of those but today after the awful night (she probably only got a total of 9 hours of sleep) she did  1 hr 20 a.m. but then only a 30 min. p.m. I think it's a combo of OT and teething tho - poor thing.

Oanh - thanks for the advice but I've been "gently" reminded 2x that that board is for "babies" so I gave up posting there.    It is nice that it's more active - maybe I'll just read thru it...

[abaker89]

Hi all, looks like we are here now.  DD2 is 15 mths and a great sleeper, for the last 4-5 mths our schedule was:
Wake her at 7:15
Nap 10-11:30 (I wake her)
Nap 3-4:30 (she usually wakes up)
Asleep at 8:15

We have had a few days where she didn't fall asleep for the 2nd nap till 4 pm, then bedtime was about 8:45.  Yesterday, she never fell asleep at all for the 2nd nap.  So I am initially trying to limit the 1st nap to 1 hr and hopefully get a 2nd 1 hr nap.

Any tips on getting her to nap with big sis who goes down around 2ish?  I have been putting them both down then for months and it just takes DD2 longer to fall asleep.  I am wondering if I could try not waking her and letting her sleep till 8ish with one nap noon?  Then I could put big sis down a bit early and still have some work time (I am part-time at home).

It is scary waking her now from the 1st nap without being sure to get a 2nd one!  She was so tired last night and I didn't get her to bed till 7 pm, over 7 hrs from a kid who has never done more than 4 or so for A time.  Its hard with 2 kids to get dinner and get her to bed much earlier than that.

Do I just move to one nap when she consistently refuses the 2nd nap?  Or shorten the 1st nap to less than 1 hr?

Thanks!
Aileen

[*Ali*]

I would shorten the first nap to much less than 1hr so that she can take an earlier and hopefully longer 2nd nap and get an earlier BT too.
You may find if she is used to being woken at 7.15 she will naturally wake then but it is worth a try if you wish to shift your day later.
What about something like this?
8am WU
10.45-11.15 Nap1 for 30mins
2-3.30/4 Nap 2 for 1.5-2hrs
7.30-8pm BT
Hopefully she will do a longer night if she gets less sleep in the day. But be careful she doesn't get OT.
HTH

And just to update, most days we are doing 
7.30 WU
12.30 - 2.30/3pm
7.30/8pm BT

I let him wake naturally as long as it isn't after 3pm. If I let him sleep after 3pm he tends to wake at 4 or 5am and be awake for a couple hours!!! Even if I do a late BT.

[inoella]

Ali - do you think the EW is more from a shorter A time or a longer nap? We keep getting a 5/5:30 wake up time no matter when I put her to bed - anywhere between 6-7:30 (although usually 6:30).  Today she napped for almost three hours - has not done that since she was a baby. But she still seemed ready for a relatively early BT and was asleep by 7:30. I have no idea what to expect for tomorrow!

[*Ali*]

Ali - do you think the EW is more from a shorter A time or a longer nap?

I think it is from having the sleep too late in the day. Even if he sleeps say 1.30-3.30 and goes to bed at 8.30pm after his usual 5hr A time he seem to have a waking in the early hours. I think if he sleeps too late he still needs the same 5hr A time to be tired enough for bed but if BT is then too late it makes his day too long and he is actually OT. Sometime it is because he sleeps too long, over 2.5hrs is too much these days. Our ideal naps are 12-2.30 or 12.30-2.30/3pm.

[inoella]

Hmmm... must be cuz after that wonderful nap from 12-2:45 and BT at 7:30 she was up from 3-4:30. I've been a wreck so I just kinda lost it and DH had to step in - still took a while but it makes me so mad that she'll settle for him easier than for me. And I think it was UT cuz she was talking sometimes - usually if it's OT it's just crying.
So today it was a whopping 1 hour nap from 11-12 so back to early BT. Such fun...

[*Ali*]

Oh Jaci, I hear you on DH having the magic touch. The other morning I spent from 4.30 til 6am trying to resettle DS before finally waking DH (who was due up at 6.15 anyway) and withing 15-20mins he was back with DS sleeping soundly. DH even then turned on our power shower and extractor fan which are quite noisy and DS didn't even stir.
I am sure it is from the days of BF at night, they remember and hold out for it with us.

[~Karen~]

Jumping over here as Lewis is over 12 months now.  We're back on two nap days for now (after sickness) and he's waking up too early (about 630/645am) to do one nap days.  I probably need to cut his day time sleep but haven't been due to him having a vomiting bug that lasted a week and just about getting back on track! 

[lulunut]

I also wanted to come over to this thread.  My LO is now 13mts and we are getting some 2 nap days and some 1 nap days.

2 nap days are usually when he is with Granny and 1 nap days with me.  I usually AP half way through his 1 nap while his DD is napping and I get some nap time too!!

I usually get EW's most days which wakes DD so this is where I am at!  5:45 am today and DD is still asleep so today is good!

I look forward to following along here!

[~Karen~]

Lulu - That was the problem we used to have when ds1 was an early waker.  We'd always take him straight into our bed so dd didn't get woken up.  Had not to get into bad habits when there's more than one of them!

Lewis took ages to go to sleep this morning and thought we were going to get an am nap refusal.  He was asleep by 1030am and it's an hour later now so will let him sleep as long as he wants and hopefully get a short nap in later.  I might even go shopping with him!  My Mum has just taken the eldest two to her house for a couple of nights as it's half term.  Aren't Grandmothers great!

[jordiwes]

Popping over here too. No one nap days yet here (touch wood).

[kimmbba]

Coming over to the 12+ months side too I suppose

We're having a rough go at the moment.  Some one nap, some two nap days.  Yesterday he had one nap for 2.5 hours, maybe too long or too long until BT as we were up from 9:30pm-12:30am SCREAMING everytime I tried to leave the room.  I also thought maybe we're dealing with some SA.  He really wanted me to hold him, and I gave him some tylenol incase his teeth were still bothering him but it didn't seem to do any good.  After being up for 3 hours in the middle of the night, up at 5:30am so only 8 hours of sleep.  I was so hoping that we'd sleep in with the long time up last night.

Going for two naps today to see if we can avoid a long A before BT.  I need to figure out how to get back on track for sure!!