Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3

[lulunut]

MMM!  I have some thoughts on both sides of the plan!  Thanks ladies!  From talking with my friends they say that they know some babies that will do that forever!  One friend said her son did it until he was 4!!!! Yikes!

I tried the bottle this morning and I didn't check the temp all the way through because when it got mixed up it was cold and he didn't want it.  So I brought him downstairs and heated it again and after that he was up!!! So I messed that plan up this morning! My DH got DD back to sleep so that was good!

I decided to just go with 11am nap time.  It is so hard to stretch them!!!  I am not an entertainer!!  I put DD down at 11:30 and then he was up right away.  I PU and AP until he fell asleep and put him down again.  He was up 10 min later. I left him.  I am sorry but I had to walk away.  I let him cry.  I cried! I had to call a friend I was going crazy and needed time out!  After about 40 minutes I calmed down.  He was still screaming!!  DD slept through it thankfully.  I got him up and fed him.

He had a CN at 4 for 30 min and BT at 7.

I made it alive!!!

[*Ali*]

Lulu, when I couldn't take resettling DS for naps again I would just get him up and let him play quietly for a bit. Maybe you could do that next time you find it too much. Leaving him to cry for such a long time is likely to cause problems with separation anxiety and Tracy believes using CIO or CC breaks the bond of trust between you and your LO which can be very difficult to re-establish.   

[ccaawc]

hugs lulu,

I agree with cadie's mum on getting lo up when the resettling gets too much for u to handle.

I almost never resettle my lo since she was 6 months old, first, she is too heavy for me to hold for long period of time and I get crazy being in the darkened room for so long and the resettling is longer than the nap itself, I just think it is not worth it. If she can't/doesn't want to sleep, then that's it. She can sleep another time when she wants to.

If following a routine makes yr life easier to manage, it is a good thing but if it stresses u out then mayb it is better just to follow yr lo's cue.

we had some crazy A time and sleep time the last 2 days. The nite following the one nap day, I let dd sleep all she can and she did a 14hrs nite with a NW and a feed at 5:30.

she had 4hrs A and went back to sleep for an hr 2:15-3:15 when I woke her as we have to leave the house.

Then she fell asleep 3 hrs later in the baby carrier for 40 mins and that was 6:15 to 7pm!! I didn't expect her to have so short A time.

So I expect the nite to be horrible but no, she STTN from 9:45 -6:15 only 8.5hr nite but I think I can't squeeze more sleep from her as she had 15hrs+ of sleep the day b4.

then today, she was doing 4hrs A/2/5.75 A/30min/2.5 A and BT at 9.

[lulunut]

My intention wasn't to CIO.  I am sorry if that came across that way.  I had settled him once already and just needed to step away from the situation.  I was too upset to handle anything.  It probably was better to get him up I just couldn't cope for a moment.  We have help lines here so I called someone and she was wonderful calming me down.  I feel better now and able to cope with some self strategies she helped me with.  It was a full day of temper tantrums from DD, clinging LO and tired and frustrated me.  I need more ME time. 

Thanks for the support ladies!  Hugs!

Today I was up at four and to review my BW book on W2S.  I heated a bottle just in case.  I got to him at 4:30.  I know it should be an hour before but I thought I would try anyways.  Just opening the door startled him.  I went to DD's room and turned up the noise machine and she stirred too.  He was up at 5:15.  Didn't want the bottle.  So we were up!  She slept until 7am so the W2S worked on her!!!  And my DH!!!  I will try for 4am tomorrow.

CC-Good news on the 14 hrs! I find sometimes after a shorter nap than what they needed,  they need shorter A time in between. If that makes sense?! And good news on the STTN. Short but good maybe she will have a longer nap today!?

[ccaawc]

yesterday was another one nap day.

WU 7:30
nap 11:40-2
BT 8:30

everything went well, not too tired b4 BT, just wondering is 2hr20 too much for a nap, I woke her at 2, fearing that she won't sleep at nite, don't know how much she can sleep if I let her...

But I think we have a problem here. dd has been having a NW at 5:30 more than a few times (regardless of BT) although she doesn't do this everyday ( she sometimes will sleep thru 5:30 and have a 6ish WU) but I think she has the habbit of getting up at 5:30, take a feed then goes back to sleep until she gets her 10hrs nite quota met.

When I feed her, she is not sleepy but will settle back to sleep within 30mins (including the feed) on her own. I put her back to her cot if I see her rolling in my bed after feeding. But I am thinking mayb she has learned to wake up for a feed at that time? Today I tried to settle her without feeding but she was crying and trying to climb out of her cot for a good one hr then I gave up and fed her ( she wasn't hungry hungry)q and she quickly settled back to sleep until 8:30.

I did try w2s, she stirred a little at 4:40 but that did not work....I'll try for another 2 nites to see if that helps.

[lulunut]

CC-great job on the one nap day!  I think 2:20 seems perfect for your LO but I would have to read up to verify.  I know that every LO is different so it may work for her.  I also have friends who did the bottle at EW.  It eventually works out but they do get used to getting that bottle at a certain time.  I am sorry I don't know anymore to help you.  Good luck on W2S tonight.

Sat we did one 2.5 hour nap half with me.  6:45 BT and 2am, 4am NW and 5:15 W.  Not sure about that??
Sun 1hour nap at 11am and 40 min nap at 3:30, 8pm BT and 5:30W today.

I wanted to do W2S on Sun morn but he was up before me!  And DD is sick so we were up with her all night last night so no W2S for him this morning.  I will try again soon!  Besides he went to 5:30!!

[jakobsmommy]

headed over here as Jakobs 14m (hi all)

we had a horrible week of head banging up the cot with 30 mins settling time (when jakob usually is an easy baby to settle) and then 4 teeth (2 molars top and incisors bottom) pushed through...poor baby, all in one go, with a cold and cough to top it all off

anyhow, the whole thing seemes to have knocked the thumb sucking on the head. his callous is almost gone and i havent seen him use his thumb at bedtime or any other time for about 4 weeks now...is this unusual? i sort of expected him to suck his thumb till school lol!

we are currently doing 6am-6.30/ 4.5 - 5 hr A/1hr - 2hr nap/5 - 6hr A (which i think is too long but i just cant consistently get a 2 hr nap and cant seem to get bedtime forward before 6.45 without missing something out- like a meal lol!)

Superdad had the kids on sat night (my 1st night away in 5 yrs!!!) and they both slept till 7.15 as he managed to put jakob back to sleep at 6am... i cant do it..he sees me and practically leaps out the cot.

im off to bed now to catch up on missed sleep as its my turn to get up tomorrow (even tho i actually get up every day as they all make such a damn noise!!!) so it will be a 6am DS2 wake up, with DS1 in our bed at 5 no doubt!

[ccaawc]

hugs lulu, must be really tough taking care of a sick child. The bad thing about w2s is, u get to wake up an hr earlier than yr lo, and take the risk of waking him totally and not going back to sleep.

yesterday went well with another one nap, but only 1.5hr so lo was cranky during dinner and BT was 8:15 but she sttn so that was good.

I woke at 4 to do the w2s at 4:20, she stirred, then WU at 6...so does that mean it worked? so am I suppose to do it 3 nites in a row? so another one tomorrow?

since her day starts so early, I am thinking of a 2 naps day, but her one nap nite went so well... I don't want the NW to come back...mayb I'll do a 15min am, then long pm? 

[lulunut]

cc-sounds like your LO is slowly making the transition.  Great! Excellent on the STTN!  Sounds like the W2S worked to me. Yes, you have to do it for 3 nights.

W2S is on hold until DD1 is better.  She is still very sick.  I have been splitting them up to keep it away from him.  She is so irritated when he is around so it's better for everyone.

So naps have been scattered due to the trips to Grannies with one kid and home again later.  Yesterday was 2 naps total 1.5.  Wake at 4am AP until 6.  Today was 1.5 on his own with 7pm BT. 

Welcome over Jakobsmommy!  I have the same issue with 1.5hour naps. They need to be longer and sometimes I get between 5-6A time because of it.  I hope you enjoyed your day.  It's wonderful to have a day off!  Good for you!!

[ccaawc]

we had a 2 nap day yesterday and a NW and EW

dd was up at 6 so I put her down to nap at 10:50, planned to wake her up 15-20 min but she just refused to get up and ended up with a 1.5hr nap. I AP a pm nap, 3:30-3:50, BT was pushed to 9:45!!! becos of this 20min!! NW at 4ish just when I wanted to do the w2s, so I waited for her to fall asleep again before I wake her and the next thing I know was dd crying at 5:30....

Trying to end the wake-feed-back to sleep cycle so I try to settle her without bf, she was lying on the cot crying for 1hr15min before I decide 6:45 is a good time to bf her. she wanted to sleep after bfing and that was already 7:20 so I got her up.

AP a 20 min nap from 9:30-9:50. don't know what to do in the pm as we have an appointment with the vet and have to bring dd out with the rabbit.

It seems dd sleeps better at nite with only one nap but last nite could be OT too, with such a late BT.

desperately need some Y time but DH booked himself a grand hotel room after a business trip so it's me alone again. Jacobsmommy, I envy u...but I'd like my Y time a bit more frequent than once in 5 years...

Lulu- I am guessing that AP in the morning is getting into a habit for yr lo, seem like yr lo can sleep an hr or 2 more when u AP him so he actually needs that sleep ( my lo will only sleep 30-40min if I AP her sleep as she is not sleepy enough to drift to sleep by herself and stay asleep for long), is there anyway u can wean him off the AP so he can get all his sleep in one go? I am just guessing here, and I myself is finding a way to wean my AP, so not much help..sorry
 

[lulunut]

cc-Aww!  Hugs!
What A time are you at now?
Have you tried to shorten her BF in the am instead of quitting all together?  That maybe an option if quitting all together doesn't work .  Or slowly add water to a bottle with less milk.  

Our days now are so crazy and all over the place.  Maybe that is why my Lo's naps are all over!!

Sometimes time to yourself with your LO is good.  There is no one else to foil your plans!!!

Yes, we are stuck in the AP!!  It's the only way I can get him to 6-6:30 wake in order to make it to 11 for nap.  It might be just what I have to do right now in order to get everyone the rest they need.  I should try to put him down after a bit.  I just get tired and don't want to have him cry and wake everyone.  You do what works I guess and deal with it later.  This allows me some Y time in the afternoon while DD sleeps.  I also allows me to stretch his naps with some AP while she sleeps.  I don't know.  I have tried the other option I just need my sleep and Y time right now.  It's totally my fault!!

Last night DD was up at 12:30 and wouldn't go back to sleep until 1:30.  DS was up at 1:15 and was up until 2:30.  It's strange he would play for a bit then settle and go down for 5-10 min and then he was up again.  Play and go down again.  He wouldn't cry if he could still see me sitting there.  I did PD every time he got up.  I gave up and lied down on the floor.  He got up once after that and I fell asleep.  He was up at 5:30 and I AP in the chair until 6:30.  He is at Grannies today so that I can take care of DD.

Urgh!

[ccaawc]

lulu-I can see how difficult it is and I am no exception doing all I can to stop dd crying in the early morning so everyone else can get some sleep. That's how the AP get in in the first place. It is ridiculus how little ( and fragmented)sleep I am surviving on for over a year now. DH ask me in the morning in a refresh tone if dd has cried last nite as he didn't hear a thing from the other room, and I replied him that I got up at 4 to do the W2S, then she cried at 5, 6, and got up at 7ish.

I grab any opportunities to sleep early in the evening as I know dd sleeps well mostly at the 1st half of the nite and I get my longest stretch of 5hr or 6 if I am lucky but DH stays up late until 12 or 1 even and although I want to have some quiet time with DH, I can't afford it. I can't function during the day with only 3 or 4 hrs of sleep at nite.

we are having around 4hrs 1st A and 5-6hrs last A, it is unreliable as the 1st A following a one nap day is short, she fell asleep while I was clipping her fingernail today at 4hrA whereas she can do 4hr50 after a shortish nite following a 2 naps day. and last A as well, with the same amount of last A , she can handle it much more comfortably if she had 2 naps and she fights BT even.

for us, long NW and playing is a sign of UT, could that be yr case as well?

I don't think my dd wants bf becos she is soooooo hungry she can't sleep, I think it is more of a habbit that she gets to comfort suck and get back to sleep. TOday's W2s didnt' go too well, I did it at 4:25, she got up totally at 5 but went back down in 10min, no bf, cried a little at 6, and slept till 7:50. Now napping from 11:30.

[lulunut]

I love when your DH doesn't hear anything!!!  They are just not as in tune as we are!! 

cc-5-6 hours is good.  Just think back to when you only got 3-4 hours!!!  I also get 1 hour with DH at night then I pass out! 

Our A times are similar.  mostly 5 now.  Yes, I think the long NW was due to UT.  He got 2.5 and 1/2 hour in car ride home so maybe too much sleep at nap time.  I think that was the day!  I get my nights mixed up sometimes!!

Sounds like today's w2s went ok for you!  Good! My LO is now sick so the W2S will wait!

I am off for my Y time with DH then early Bt for me!!!  It maybe a long night or a good night depends on how he reacts to the cold!

[spodnic]

Just checking back in, my DD seems to be getting better now after 8 weeks of colds and coughs, so *maybe* I can expect better things.

cc - with you on the sleeping front, I get my head down about 9pm so I can get a good few hours in but DH is missing me lol. I feel I am sacrificing my life sometimes just to get adequate sleep to function the next day. But then I have a couple of days when I am "up to date" with sleep and my outlook is transformed, I start to plan things, get on with sorting the house out, then it all goes pear shaped and I have to put it all on hold again.

A 6am wake up is all I'm asking for...!

[ccaawc]

spodnic, have u try delaying yr lo's BT so the WU gets later? I'd rather give dd a catnap then a late BT so I can get a later WU.

lulu- hope the cold goes away soon so u get better sleep for everyone.

I had 2 two naps days and a late BT at 9:45, I know it is unbelievably late for most of the mums here but that gave us sttn and wu at 6:30. I don't wake my lo in the morning but if she wants to get up after 8.5 or 9 hrs of sleep, I'll let her and try to stop stressing about it.

The previous 2 days were one nap day, sort of sttn ( she woke and stood in her cot and went right back down after I told her to) from 8ish to 7.

The only thing is, I don't consistently get 2hrs nap from her and if she naps 1.5 or 1hr 15min, she is really sleepy by dinner time. Tonite she practically slept thru her bath and skipped her bed time milk and story. BT was 7, hope she can sleep till 6ish. Also, if we go out in the afternoon, she almost always falls asleep in the car when we return home. I think it is more of a habit as she falls asleep as little as 3hrs A after a 2 hrs nap. Does that happen to anyone? Is there a way to stop this late nap other than not going out at all? It is impossible to wake her up in the car unless the engine is off so by the time we reach home, she had at least 30-40mins nap already.