Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3

[jackman]

Glad to hear Kim. FX'd that your night is good.

I'll be joining this thread too. We've been trying one nap days on and off, but always tricky as J only sleeps 10hrs max at night and he wakes pretty early in the morning. Need to figure this out as his average A times in between naps is now 12hrs30min which is making BT very late. Like tonight it was 9pm and the last A time was over 5hrs on a 40 min nap!!!! UGH. I just dread the thought of a 4:30am WU if BT is at 6:30pm.

[lulunut]

Two questions, if your LO wakes at 5am and cries for about 15 min but goes back to sleep for 40 min and then up, do you count from 5am or 6am for A time?

Is 8 hours at night normal?  This is all he will do!!!

[jackman]

lulu - would count A time from when he truly wakes, so 6am. Can't really comment on 8hrs sleep at night, but my gut says that is really low.

[kimmbba]

I think 8 hours is very low...even for my LO who doesn't sleep a lot in general.  I think on the low end for total sleep they should be getting around 12 hours.

[lulunut]

Well, it's 8 hours at night and 2-3 during the day.  I have been pushing his BT later to get a full night sleep for me!  I have counted and he does anywhere between 8-9.5 at night.  Since then he has needed more day sleep.  I just can't break him of the 5am habit unless I add a pm nap and late BT.  I get wake time closer to 6 when he does this.

[spodnic]

Lulu I would say try and cut down the amount of nap hrs, to maybe 1.5-2 max? But space them out if you can. Our DD does seem to be lengthening her nights a bit (from 10hrs to 11hrs more or less) when we have 2 naps that add up to 1.5-2 hrs in total. She is 16.5 months, typically we do 4hrs40 A, 40min nap, 3hrs A, 1 hr nap, leaving us with 4hrs for the last A.

Just a thought.

[lulunut]

That's great Spodnic.  Thanks!  I will try that!

Two nights ago he did 11hours at night.  I was so excited.  He made some noised between 12-3am but nothing to get up for.  Then When I got him up in the morning I realized he had been sick all over his bed.  He wasn't feeling well, that is why he slept for so long!!

Today he was up at 5:40 with BT at 7:30.  This is good for him!  He did CN in car for 20 min after 3.5A and 3A time with 2.5 hr nap.  WOW!  At Grannies!  He often does better there!!  I don't think he is feeling totally better yet, but I will take it!  BT tonight I will watch him so far it's 4.5A.  This is either just because he is sick or he is going through a change.  This could be good news!!!

[derya82]

Hi,
I am in the same boat ladies..My DS is 13.5 months old and we did long am short pm for the last 3 months. Everything was fine till three weeks ago. He had 4 teeth at a time, SA started and had a big A jump simultaneously and everything went crazy with lots of NWs.Now it seems that we are slowly back on track (he sttn for the last 4 nights- except one brief NW last night-) DS is refusing pm naps alltogether for the last 2 weeks as it is clear that he is UT for it. Our nights are 12+ so nap is only 1.20 minutes and that is all he gets during the day and I took BT 40 minutes earlier to dismiss OT risk. Here is our routine:
8:00 wu (I do not know when he wakes up this is the fixed time I get him from his crib)
12:30-13:50 nap (it is exactly 1h20m)
19:20 BT
When he wakes up from his nap he is clearly happy and chats and plays tries to go back to sleep etc.. till I get him. So I believe that this is UT nap. I need two hours nap to make it to BT so today I asked the nanny to try:

8:00 wu (after 12:40 NT sleep)

13:00 nap

What do you think?

[spodnic]

Hi Derya
I think you're right. It sounds like you've got it almost perfect!

We are in chaos, 9 hr nights, 5-8 NW, EW, through colds, tummy bugs and teething, lets hope it all stabilises soon.

[lulunut]

Sounds great Derya! 

Sorry to hear that things aren't going well for you Spodnic.  I hope your house gets better.

We have had two weeks of flu, cold and pneumonia from both kids!  Urgh!  He is getting his molars too!  So we are back to 2 naps.  10am and 2pm both for an hour with BT at 7:30pm.  He is doing much better with the EW's!  They seem to be working themselves out!  This is good!

I hope everyone else is doing ok??

[ccaawc]

lulu, u are not alone, we are having 8hrs nite here as well.

After a week of high fever due to viral infection, we are back to sq one. For the last 2 weeks till now we have multiple problems, feeds in the middle of the nite, cot refusal, NW and EW, late BT and 2 naps a day.

I have been sleep training my lo for the last 5 days (no nite feeding, no AP in falling asleep and no co-sleeping), there is progress but it is still not perfect yet. I am amazed at how easily bad habits formed at this age, only a few times of nite feeding and co-sleeping have ruined all the good work for the past 7 months!!

I have the same problem as lulu, our nites have been shrinking from 9.5-10hrs to 8ish hrs, naps are bad as well, from 2-2.5 to 1hr15-1hr45. I am guessing that it is the 2 naps ( and the subsequent short A times) that is the cultprit. NW could due to anything, esp when there is a prop problem so I can't point my finger at OT or UT.

Our EASY looks like this:

5:30 WU
11:00-12:40 nap 1 or 9ish ( 1 hr) nap 1
4:30-5:00    nap 2  or 3ish (1 hr)nap2
8:30 put to bed, doesn't fall asleep until 9
1ish NW

BT, WU and NW has been like this for a few days, I have been trying to get her back on track to one nap but since her wu is so early and her nap so short, I can't not offer her another pm nap and last A has become short (4 to 5 hr) which previously was 6 to 7.5 hrs and that had given us 9-10 hrs of sttn.

I AP a 20min nap at 9:05 this morning after 5:30 wu, hoping that she can have a long mid-day nap that covers her till BT. I don't know if this is a good move or it will reset all the effort of 5 days of sleep training....

advice anyone?

[jackman]

ccaawc - how old is your lo again? When we were doing 2 naps and my DS would EW at 5:30am, I wouldn't put him down until 10am and I would get at least 1.5hr nap. Then second nap would be at 2:30pm and nap would be at least 45min - 1hr. BT then was around 7:30/8pm. Is this something you could try? Keep in mind to try this EASY for 3 days or so. This was what my DS was doing before we trans to 1 nap which has now been almost 2 wks. Good luck.

[ccaawc]

thanks jackman, my lo will be 15months in a few days. We had completed the transition 1.5 month ago for mayb 10 days or so before she got an viral infection and sick for a week. Since then, her easy has been all over the place and we have been trying to get back on track for 2 weeks now.

last nite was the same after 7 hrs of last A. BT at 9, brief NW at 2 ( she cried a bit and resettled herself) and woke at 5:30am, another 8.5hrs nite. Should I accept the 8.5hrs and keep pushing the BT so we all get up at a more decent time or there is something I can do to get her to sleep more?

[lulunut]

I agree with Jackman, cc.  Hang in there.  I have had to cut my LO back in order to get him back on track again after all the sickness!

I have been doing what spodnic said.  I went back to 4 A time first then slowly stretching it and shortening the am nap slowly.  I have been doing pm nap between 2:30 and 4pm.  No sleep past 4pm.  He has been wanting to BT after about 3.5 A time before bed.  The pm nap he has been fighting me but he seems to sleep long at this one.  Looks like I will be keeping 2 naps until he can do longer A times in total.  That is ok with me now! I will be working on bringing his pm nap closer to 2 in order to bring the two naps together. Does that make sense!!?

cc- 7 hrs last A time, YIKES!  I would add a little nap.  You suggested that to me before and it started to work!
My Lo does better with longer pm nap I have noticed. I would however go for a later BT in order to get later wake until it works out.  That is just me! I like my sleep!

[spodnic]

Hello everyone, I will just update you as 10 days into our 1 nap transition, things *seem* to be going ok (watch it get jinxed now I've said it!).

I had 2 weeks of school hols to gradually shift AM nap to start at 12.45pm (school run). First few days I got DD to stay up at least an hour later that her normal 4hrs45 A time (she is 17 months). She only napped an hour first couple of days as her cough kept waking her when she came out of a deep sleep, put her to bed 30 mins earlier to compensate. Cough subsided, I was putting her down at 1115, then 1130, 1145 etc, you get the idea. I stopped watching her A time and just did the clock, which meant her A times varied from 5hrs40-6hrs10 ish.

Nap has lengthened to 1hr50-2hrs30 so far. I woke her today at 3.10pm so she is ready for her 7pm bedtime. Not sure if I could leave her til 4pm, I used to with my son. Will see how that goes over the next few weeks.

So ATM she is going down at 12.30, I just have to do the final push to 12.45 next week. Hope that doesn't mess things up!

The good news is EW has stopped! I had two 5.45 wake ups but that's it and today was 7.15am! This from a chronic 5.30 EWer!

Ladies, there is light at the end of the tunnel!