Right - what am I going to do with this little man?

[*Liz*]

No - but not sure how to work it when I have to get him up anyway? I just can't do WIWO with Megan in the room next door.

Yesterday was
Awake 5.45am
Nap 12-2
Asleep 7.20pm

Awake 5.50am

We were going to keep him up later but he threw a strop and asked for milk and bed!

[Mrs Coops]

Oh {{{hugs}}} Liz, your LO's are really putting you through it right now

Just curious do you go in to him as soon as he wakes up? Or does he play with his toys? We ignore S if she wakes at an obnoxious time! That is unless she gets upset or says poo, then its cuddle or change and put back to bed until at least 6.30!

Is he a sensitive sleeper waking at the slightest noise?

We found that putting S to bed later had no effect on her EW's, just made her more OT and cranky! Although her transition into her BGB has seen her suddenly start sleeping until closer to 7, how bizarre!

[*Liz*]

He used to babble and play for a while first, but lately it is all 'down down down' and he gets worked up quite quickly.

We ALWAYS used to ignore him or put him back to bed if he woke before 6am, or ignore him until 6.30am if he was happy enough. But he is getting worked up as he can often hear Megan grunting and groaning, or feeding, next door. And if he hears someone else awake that is it really.

I've tried putting the bathroom fan on to dull it a bit - but no joy.

We live in a modern house where the upstairs bedrooms are very close together and not very sound proof.

He is a very sensitive sleeper after about 5am. Not too bad before then.

Putting him to bed later is not really working as he is just crying for his milk and putting himself to bed anyway.

[Tweakster]

:-(  Sorry Liz.  It's going to be one of those phases isn't it?  I hate phases!

[Mrs Coops]

Oh bugger! Modern houses are crap for sound insulation!

Well hopefully it's the jealous, attention seeking phase and it will pass soon!

{{{Hugs}}} And wishing for your gorgeous children to let you sleep. xxx

Oh and sorry that I'm useless  

[scucci1979]

I wish I could offer some advice.   

Tell me about these modern houses today: the walls are soooo thin. 

I am thinking it is just another phase and it will pass soon.

Lots of hugs.

[shivi]

biggest hugs Liz }}}}}}{{{{{{{

Oscar is very similar in terms of sleep - you can throw a party in his room (lit turn the light son full blast to put washing away or search for something) pre 5am but make a peep after that and he's awake....
We went through similar issues - Ozzie was transitioning to the BBB and p/training for poos in the morning (had been dry and clean by day for around 6 mths before Emma came but still pooing in his night nappy at the end of the night....) and this signalled him to get up, do a poo, and that was it. For a while last spring it was on the button of 4.40am. After a 3/4am feed from Emma....so totally get you, though Emma was a great sleeper, I still found it hard to cope with Ozzie.

It IS a phase, it WILL pass.....this summer I am enjoying "lie ons" with Oz. He will only give me a 10.5 hr night EVER, maybe 11 if sick/after a VERY active day (though all of his are active LOL - just because he is who he is) so I have gradually been able to move his bedtime to 9.30pm (and believe me, I don't mind knowing whats in store for me in the morning....) and we are ALL sleeping till 8/8.30am. This is a child who had 70% wakings before 6am for the past 2 yrs and 3 mths of his life.....

More huggles and sleepy vibes for you and Jacob and Megan of course.

S x

ps. In summer 2008 in Ireland in Argos I think we bought the sleepy head Thomas the Tank clock. We have used it and have gradually changed the time for what we call acceptable and it has worked with Oz NOT WAKING US since Christmas until the light goes off. We did a sticker chart for it and Oscar had to be in the "quiet zone" (sounds better in Polish, its DHs phrase - sounds like the duty-free zone in the airport LOL) until 6/6.30/7 am etc. He is free to potter in the meantime etc etc. I know Jacob is still young but the Thomas clock is so so sweet and we were using it from 2 yrs 3 mths when the horrible EWs started and Oscar really "gets it" for the past year or so for sure....

S x

[shivi]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thomas-Friends-Go-Glow-Time/dp/B0019DM3XE/ref=pd_sim_kh_5

here's THE clock....our lifesaver when Emma finally DID get to STTN as she is the lightest sleeper EVER...

S x

[*Liz*]

I am going to try a clock I think. But perhaps he can get up and take the clock downstairs and no toys out until x time? Then once he has the idea and perhaps is in a BBB we can move it into his room and get him to potter quietly in there.

He actually went to sleep fast last night and woke at 6.15am today  . Bit of a crying NWing at 12ish that DH dealt with. It wasn't a very active day yesterday but he did short nap on me.

Anyway - we will just have to keep plugging away at him.

You are right it is a phase - just a very annoying one   .

Shivi - I go get you about the 9.30pm bedtime. I would HATE that - but I would hate 4.40am MORE  . I'm pretty sure that is where we will slowly be heading really. Later bedtimes, and family tea times. I just need to work out a new little routine for him. He likes his little routines - that is partly why he wants his milk and book straight after his batj.

[*Liz*]

Clock is cute - he would definately like that. He is a thomas fan  . Calls them his 'click clicks' - no idea why he doesn't just say trains  .

[shivi]

I am enjoying the family teatimes - we are all getting to eat together almost every evening with DH home for around 7-7.30 usually.
Also, Ozzie's in a summercamp for August so is out of my hair altogether (and loving it, I might add, drowned in sweat and facepaint at the end of every day LOL) from 9 to 3....so its nice for all four of us to be together and no mad rush for bedtimes and nobody getting OTd because daddy wants to do rough and tumble or tickle me till I scream type play....

so, yeah, its nice...but once I am back in work in Sept and the evenings get shorter we will go back to an 8 to 7 I'd say with a 7 to 7 for Emma. I am up for work around 6am anyway.

S x

[Tweakster]

I was thinking about maybe he would do better in a BBB now that he wants out of the cot so badly, maybe it's more about wanting out of the cot rather than out of the room?  As you say you can put the clock set to a time when you or DH will go in and take him downstairs, then if he knows that's coming he might just play with his trains or whatever in his own room for a bit.  Of course you have the added issue of having 2 kids on slightly different sleep routines and thin walls so I understand the need to keep him quiet in the AM not to wake little M.

Plugging away at him...lol...yes I totally get that.

[*Liz*]

Hmmmm..... I just don't know on that one..... definately food for thought though.

Until very recently I would have said no as he is very petite and wasn't really climbing. I don't think he could have even got into his bed before then. But now he certainly could.

We are going on holiday in 6 weeks and he will have to sleep in a BBB then anyway  .

It is perfectly possible he would just get up and play in the am. He LOVES playing with his toys.

[Mrs Coops]

Having just changed to a BGB I would agree! S has almost changed over night and she loved her new bed instantly! She took 45 minutes to fall asleep last night and never got out of her bed! She woke at 6 this morning (a poopy wake up) and only got down when DH went in! I expected a lot worse from her!

Maybe worth a try? We started with a ready bed as were taking it on holiday with us, she LOVED it!