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am I becoming a prop?
« on: August 18, 2010, 16:05:09 pm »
DS is 11 months old. Up until last month, he was waking every night sometime between 10:30 and 1:00 and again between 4:00 and 5:00 to BF. He genuinely seemed hungry, so I kept feeding him.

I finally decided enough was enough and we started by cutting out the 4 am feed. It took 3 nights to wean those feeds. He no longer wakes at 4 am. Success!

We let a couple of weeks pass so that he could adjust and then we decided to cut his other night feed. For the past week, when he wakes between 10:30 and 1:00, I don't feed him. So we've had success at weaning the night feed, but the problem is that he's still waking at that time.

Now that this isn't a BF issue anymore, it's become a night waking issue. If I don't go to him when he wakes, he cries and cries and doesn't fall back asleep on his own. When I go in, I rub his back until he falls back asleep, or very close to. Sometimes he cries too hard and I have to pick him up and sing to him. He's normally back asleep within 15 minutes.

Am I doing the right thing or am I becoming a prop?
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Re: am I becoming a prop?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2010, 17:02:04 pm »
I think that you are doing all that you can do. Sounds like my son, first offer him comfort in the crib lying down, pick him up as a last resort. Is he teething? SA? Walking? All of these can disturb sleep.

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Re: am I becoming a prop?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2010, 18:35:59 pm »
Thanks for the reassurance. Teething? Always. SA? not really. Walking? Trying really hard.

I guess I was worried because it's always at the same time every night and it's when he used to get a feed. I don't want to reinforce a habitual NW. He's such a sweetheart though - I cuddle him for a few minutes, he smiles and rolls over and falls back asleep. I don't really mind it now, but when I'm back to work I'm really hoping for fewer NWs. We can always hope, right ;)
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Re: am I becoming a prop?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2010, 20:18:52 pm »
The best thing you can do is let him try and settle himself, only go in if he actually starts crying. It is usually just once a night? Have you tried W2S?

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Re: am I becoming a prop?
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2010, 20:56:02 pm »
It's only once a night, but it's EVERY night. I've tried W2S, but have never had any luck with it. He was so used to getting up for the DF that it's become quite the habit I'm afraid. Now that we've dropped the feed, I'm hoping that over time he'll stop waking.

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Re: am I becoming a prop?
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2010, 14:01:36 pm »
Hi there, could you post up the routine.  Have you considered a routine issue?  I do have to say, it is a prop if you have to go in every night.  Can you go in and just reassure him with WI/WO?  No contact or touching.  You just say 'it's sleepy time' or a key phrase to let him know you are there but he needs to go back to sleep.  Sometimes they don't 'get it' by using GW and it continues to be a habit.  Are you medicating if you think it's teeth?  It doesn't sound a whole lot like discomfort waking though.
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Re: am I becoming a prop?
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2010, 16:55:05 pm »
I haven't tried medicating him because I don't think that's the issue. He's fine during the day and during his nap.

WI/WO hasn't worked for us. Every time I leave the room, he stands up right away and works himself up into a frenzy and screams. At that point, nothing calms him down unless I pick him up. As soon as I even take a step back from his crib, he stands up. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?

We're in the middle of the 2-1 transition, so routine could be the problem. Most days he's down to one nap. Those days look something like this:

8:00 Wake-up and BF
8:30 A
9:00 E (breakfast)
9:30 A
11:30 E (lunch)
12:30 S
2:30 A
3:00 E (snack)
5:00 E (BF and then dinner)
7:30 BF, pjs, wind-down
8:00 S (sometimes takes until 8:30 or 9:00)

If he takes a shorter nap, he usually takes a second one around 4:00. I know it doesn't sound like much daytime sleep, but he is on the low end of sleep needs. Sometimes he goes over 5 hours in the morning before needing a nap.
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Re: am I becoming a prop?
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2010, 18:56:40 pm »
If his A time gets above 4.5 hours, you are good to switch to one nap. And 2 hours is a good daytime nap, especially considering he is still getting a 12 hour night. We also reverted back to 2 naps on long days or if he was getting OT.

BTW my son is the same, he is just "hands on" type of kid, he would get worked up into a frenzy, like 'why wont you come to me!' with WI/WO, but shh/pat often helped. For us I would even stand outside his door some nights, if he saw me it was all over. I was there when he got really upset, but I really made sure he was crying. That was key for our NWs, he stopped trying because it was too much work for him.

It really could be developmental too if he is trying to walk, it can be too much for them emotionally, and they need to see you in the middle of the night!

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Re: am I becoming a prop?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2010, 15:41:17 pm »
WI/WO hasn't worked for us. Every time I leave the room, he stands up right away and works himself up into a frenzy and screams. At that point, nothing calms him down unless I pick him up. As soon as I even take a step back from his crib, he stands up. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?

Nope that's pretty normal for WI/WO.  If you do WI/WO and then eventually pick him up, then he's not going to get anything from WI/WO and your picking up becomes a prop.

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Follow your bedtime routine being certain that your child has sufficiently wound down from the day.  When wind down is completed, lay your child down, tuck them in and use a phrase they can associate with it's sleep time such as "time to go night-night you can find your blankie/pacifier/suck your thumb/etc. to help you fall asleep."  Leave the room.  Stand outside of your child's door and assess the situation.  It's important to distinguish between different types of cries and identify when your child is truly upset and when they may be settling themselves.  Remain outside the room if your child is making fussy-type cries or noises.  If crying is starting then stopping, hang back and wait.  If crying escalates go in to resettle your child.  Repeat your phrase "time to go night-night you can find your blankie/pacifier/suck your thumb/etc. to help you fall asleep" and leave again.  Comforting should be brief and you should avoid picking up your child.

Upon leaving the room again, wait outside the door and reassess the situation.  The amount of time you wait is determined by how your child is reacting inside.  The key is to hang back enough to give your child space to fall asleep independently, but to respond to truly upset cries.

So the idea is to only go in if he is doing 'I need you' cries, not 'I want mummy's attention' cries.  If you need to go in, you keep it short brief and just repeat the phrase.

This is for a kid who already knows how to sleep independently but has fallen off the wagon a bit due to development, illness, teeth, what have you.  

Your LO is still learning to live without the night feeds, he got used to something he enjoyed, it became a sleep association and now he has to manage sleep on his own.  It's hard for him.  But you do still need to be firm and show him that you have faith that he can do it on his own.  And that will take less intervention and less picking up.  

He's young to be on 1 nap, but it's not unheard of.  But that A time post-nap is really long.  He could be having OT NW as well.  You may want to try to alternate 1 and 2 nap days until he grows into his A times a bit more.

Since your LO is under the age of 12 mths (but just) - you may want to start with a gentler version of WI/WO as described here:
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=62612.0

Tracy recommends that WI/WO be reserved for LO's over the age of 12 mths.  But you can combine the gentler version with other methods and gradually work up to WI/WO when LO is 12 mths or older.
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Re: am I becoming a prop?
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2010, 19:17:36 pm »
Thanks for the link Wendy. So patting is ok during the gentler version of WI/WO? That's how I got him off to sleep last night. Then we had a bad NW at 2:00 - he was wide awake and ready to play (probably OT from a short nap yesterday). It took a while to get him drowsy, but eventually I was able to do WI/WO and he drifted off to sleep on his own. So, some progress!
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Re: am I becoming a prop?
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2010, 16:46:37 pm »
Definitely progress!  Glad it's going a bit better :-)
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2010, 17:19:05 pm »
Ohhh... I just had to share!

Last night he slept 11 hours straight for the first time ever   ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2010, 17:26:44 pm »
Wooo!  It's so nice when they do that, I bet you feel like a new woman ;-)  Hope all continues to run smoothly!
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