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Sorry this is so long, but I want to try to answer the usual questions!  I just do not know where to start in trying to fix this situation . DS is just over 6 months old now and stopped sleeping long stretches at about 3 months. We were hoping straightening out his EASY during the day would help, but three months later, it doesn’t seem to have worked although he now takes good naps. He is now waking anywhere from 3 to 6 times a night post-bedtime and will not go back to sleep without nursing (I am trying to make sure he is just drowsy when he goes back, not fully asleep, but sometimes cannot stir him awake at all). Most waking are after an hour or an hour and a half. Often he goes longer toward morning, sometimes as long as three hours, but usually more like 2 or 2 and a half. I work full-time and am the one getting up with him at night so DH gets sleep and can take care of our four-year old. I am fearful that there will be some very long times I’m awake once I start training him, as he does not quiet with PU and shh (he does not like pat unless it is when you are holding him in your arms) unless he has already nursed. He does go back to sleep often if he wakes early from a nap w/PU PD by DH or sitter. Seems a textbook baby.

He is breastfed when I am home and takes bottles of EBM during the day from either DH or the sitter. We started solids a few weeks ago but he is not a fan yet. I have not been able to do a DF because he usually wakes before two hours asleep… and on the nights he doesn’t I am starved for sleep myself and try to go to bed by 9. We had tried the dreamfeed a few months ago but it seemed to wake him up an hour later. He does have MSPI and is now on Pepcid in case he has silent reflux (although frankly, that was just grasping at straws).
Here is a typical day.
Wake 6:42 (happy, had a bowel movement which almost always wakes him)
E 8:35 (he had eaten a small amt at around 4:30 am) – 5.5 oz
A tummy time, play with DH or sitter
S 8:50-11:30 (bowel movement) – fell asleep on my DH on way to room for wind-down
E 12:25 3 oz. 1:20 3.5 oz
A play/book time
S 2-3:30 (bowel movement)

Bath at 6, Vitamin D drops
E 6:25 (nursed on both sides, fell asleep on me, tried to wake him by putting on sleep sack)
S 6:50
Woke crying at 7:10 – picked him up, held him til drowsy, he put himself to sleep in crib
Woke crying at 9, had another bowel movement
E: 9:05 3 oz EBM
S: 9:15 on own to 10:30
E: 10:35 ish Nursed, fell asleep on me
S 10:45-12 midnight
E 12 ish
S 12:15-1:30 am
E 1:30ishS1:45 am-3:20 – seemed to be trying to put self back to sleep but couldn’t quite do it
E 3:35
S 3:50-6 (went to sleep on own once in crib)
E 6:10
S 6:30 (Went to sleep on own once in crib)

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Re: Help Me Figure Out What to Try... 6 mos and multiple wakings for months
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2010, 23:51:51 pm »
See that I forgot to mention:
usually breastfed on one side, try to get him to take the other lately to make sure he's getting enough milk
no lovie or anything like that in crib
swaddled for naps, sleepsack overnight as he can roll now (although he doesn't seem to like to roll onto his tummy for long)
his bedtime routine, massage w/lotion, diaper change, into socks and pjs. nurse in his room, story if he has not fallen asleep, put into sleepsack, hug/hold for a few moments and back into crib.

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Re: Help Me Figure Out What to Try... 6 mos and multiple wakings for months
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2010, 21:28:37 pm »
Thank you! It is so frustrating as I feel like I spent the last month of my maternity leave in a dark room teaching him to sleep on his own and now it has all fallen apart! Will start working toward longer A times. I wonder what to try on the night-time feedings, though... definitely not as easy as just not feeding him as he screams then. :'( Do not know whether to try to shorten all of them or some of them so he does not rely on them, or get him to feed on both sides so he sleeps longer. Any ideas?

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Re: Help Me Figure Out What to Try... 6 mos and multiple wakings for months
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2010, 00:44:31 am »
Was it just the DF you were doing at night or more than one feeding? Will work on waking him up enough to take both sides!

He wound up doing 2 hrs and 45 minutes A for both main naps and cat nap today... did well on nap lengths. Fingers crossed!

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Re: Help Me Figure Out What to Try... 6 mos and multiple wakings for months
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2010, 13:20:54 pm »
It is getting worse. :( Last night, from the time he fell asleep at 6:55 til waking at 6:55 am for the day, he was up 8 times. The shortest time was about 35 minutes after falling asleep, the longest was about an hour 40 minutes. I am falling apart here. I work full-time and we also have a 4 yo. Did give pain meds in case of teething, so I don't think that is it. He was crying at each wakeup and wanted to eat for almost all of them before settling. It used to be that when I left the room, he would continue drifting off to sleep. The last few nights, he hears the door open for me to go out and starts crying almost every time. Could this be OT? He was up almost 4 hrs from last nap yesterday (won't catnap) and his two naps were an hour 15 and and hour and a half. The EASY has not really changed from original posting other than we have extended A time before first nap to 2:45.

Have been trying more solids but doesn't seem he is taking enough to do much to him at night (several bites of banana is the most he's eaten).

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Re: Help Me Figure Out What to Try... 6 mos and multiple wakings for months
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2010, 18:56:17 pm »
His feedings are going pretty well... although sometimes it is hard to wake him up enough to take the second side, he always is doing so before bed and at least one feeding a night. Do you think teeth would bother despite the meds? He is now 6.5 mos. Happy during the day. Happy except when crying for me at night! I have tried waiting a few minutes to go in (to see if can settle himself), never does lately. Thank you!

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Re: Help Me Figure Out What to Try... 6 mos and multiple wakings for months
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2010, 16:39:44 pm »
Do we get the first A time to 3 and then work on extending the second (we are at 2:45 for first A, around 2:30/35 for second)?

Last two nights have at least been better (four wakings or so, he is feeding for about 10 min at most, sad to say that is an improvement! but maybe there is a growth spurt happening). He actually did do a 3 hr stretch from his bedtime to first waking! Two changes - have given ibuprofen at bedtime and topped it off after the correct time has passed... and he has had his catnap each day. So still exhausted but at least back to "normal" exhausted...

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Re: Help Me Figure Out What to Try... 6 mos and multiple wakings for months
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2010, 17:50:57 pm »
**hugs**

I have been having the same issue with my LO for about 3 mts now as well.  She is just over 6mts now.

I started giving her more during the day and then topping her up at night.  So her usual 5 oz. became 7 oz.  Sometimes she drinks it all, sometimes, only a little over 5.  Then in the late afternoon, I do "top-ups", so I would try to feed her maybe every 2 hrs.  She doesn't eat much, sometimes only 2 oz at a time, but she has been NW less and less to eat.

I also found that keeping her awake times closer to 3 hrs made her OT.  Once I followed her sleep cues and put her down around the 2-2.5 hr mark, she seems to be doing better as well with the NW.  It seems that part of it was not getting enough milk during the day, and part of it was being OT.

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Re: Help Me Figure Out What to Try... 6 mos and multiple wakings for months
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2010, 00:37:50 am »
Thanks, Carolina Bug! I am trying to be really diligent about either catnap or bedtime early... crossing fingers it helps. Maybe can figure something out on getting him to eat more during the day, although it is a bit trickier in early evening as I am home and nurse then. But maybe I can try to cluster feed him.

This is all tough to figure out for some reason. We did Pu PD with older son but it is so hard now that we don't want to wake him... and this little one usually won't settle for me unless he eats... so never really get to the PD! Sigh. Hope your situation continues to improve!

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Re: Help Me Figure Out What to Try... 6 mos and multiple wakings for months
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2010, 05:30:50 am »
I could be wrong here but I thought if you spread out the feedings (instead of feeding more often) then they ate more at each feed and could then go longer? 

Also, I don't know if this helps much but my DS just turned 7 months and was JUST able to go 3 hours for A times and sometimes less depending how long he naps for.  You are the best judge of your own child and can read him better than anyone so if you notice him getting tired then by all means put him down.  I think if he wakes up 45 minutes or so later then he's gone down too early and you then know that you can stretch the A time a bit more.  I've spent the last month stretching DS' A times.  He also did multiple NW for about 2 weeks but it seemed to magically stop so I think it was teething.  Infant tylenol drops helped on some nights. 

I hope everything works out for you and your LO starts sleeping better.