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early waking and stuck with fixed nap schedule at daycare
« on: January 11, 2011, 14:44:56 pm »
My LO just turned 1 last week.
From the age of 4 months she is going to daycare. At first for a full day (I know, horrible), but from the age of 11 months I'm home from work for 3 months. Because of stranger anxiety (much better now) we decided to bring her to daycare even during those 3 months, but only in the am till 11.30am (I still have to work a bit from home), and when she will be 14 months she will have to return to full days at daycare.

The daycare is very structured. We don't have much choice in our country (and certainly not in our city), so there is no option of switching to another centre. Nap-times and feeding-times are very strict. They put children in bed all at the same time, but they let them sleep as long as they want. Feeding is at a set time, they begin with the youngest and then go on to the older children. We cannot bring or pick up the children between 11.30am and 2pm because all of them are (or should be) asleep.

Feeding schedule ("normal" schedule in our country):
morning: bottle of milk at home
11am-11.15am: vegetables
3pm-3.15pm: fruit
auround 5-5.30pm: going home, bread with cheese or fruit
evening: bottle of milk

Nap schedule:
when they get to the centre (between 7.30 and 9am): morning nap
11.30am: big nap
4.30pm: afternoon nap

The littlest children have 3 naps, the toddlers only sleep at noon (11.30am-2pm). The children in-between (7-18 months) mostly have 2 naps: some of them at 7.30am and 11.30am. Others, arriving much later, have naps at 11.30 and 4.30pm. Transitioning to 1 nap happens between the ages of 12-18 months, depending on the child.
A typical full day for my daughter starts at 8am and ends at 5pm.
At first, when my daughter was younger, she quickly adjusted to sleeping again around 8am till 9am, while waking at 6.30am. She managed to stay awake untill 11.30am, and the afternoon nap was also at a good time.
The afternoon nap was dropped a few months later, which made for an early bedtime (6pm).

Because of the early morning nap, without any time limit, our daughter while getting older learned to wake early (first at 6am, now 5am or 4.30am). So her schedule looks like this now:
5am: awake (won't go back to sleep, signs "ready" (baby signing))
5.15am: bottle of milk (signs "milk", wich is very understandable because she refuses her nighttime bottle now)
7am: breakfast cereal
8am: arrives at daycare
8am-10am: long morning nap (they won't wake her!)
11.15am: vegetables
11.30am: I pick her up from daycare
12.15am-1.30pm: short midday nap
3pm: fruit
5.15pm: getting tired and fussy
5.30-5.45pm: bath
6pm: she completely refuses her nighttime bottle for 2 weeks now (even when I don't give her anyting to eat after 4pm)
6.15pm: fast asleep


In 6 weeks, when I get back to fulltime work again, it should ideally be looking like this (if she could handle 1 nap by then):
7am: awake
7.15am: milk and breakfast
8am: arrives at daycare
11.15am: vegetables
11.30am-2pm: big nap
3pm: fruit
5pm: picked up from daycare
5.30pm: bread
6.30pm: bath
7pm: bed

I have no idea how to adjust her sleeping schedule when I'm so limited with the daycare centre.
I could leave her at home for her morning nap so it would be shorter (8am-8.30am) and bring her to daycare around 9am.
But how can I push back the nap further away, hoping that she would wake later, if I can't coordinate it with daycare?
Should I leave her at home for the entire morning to be able to adjust it myself, and bring her only in the afternoon? That looks more confusing to her, I would think.
How many weeks would it take to adjust her schedule?
And how do I know whether she is ready for just 1 big nap? (she has always needed a lot of sleep, so I thought she would need 2 naps at least until 15-18 months).

(the other children at daycare don't have that problem, somehow they just take to the 1-nap schedule very quickly and some very soon (around 12 months), probably they are getting very tired in the late morning at first but nobody seems to have a problem with that?)
(I work from 8.30am to 6pm. If she keeps on waking early and going to bed early, I won't be seeing her any more at night (DH picks her up), only in the very early morning... maybe that's the way it should be then??  :'( )

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Re: early waking and stuck with fixed nap schedule at daycare
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2011, 07:07:46 am »
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Re: early waking and stuck with fixed nap schedule at daycare
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2011, 19:47:54 pm »
Could daycare start her nap at 9am?  I do think it's that long am nap causing the EWs.

Perhaps you could try her only on 1 nap and see what happens - say start at 11am?
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Re: early waking and stuck with fixed nap schedule at daycare
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2011, 15:15:24 pm »
Thank you for the suggestion, babybarr!

I'v decided to keep LO home for a few days, so we could work on her nap schedule. This is what the last few days have looked like:

Tuesday:
A: 4.30am
S: 7am - 9am (too long because I fell asleep myself :-[ )
S: 12.30am - 1.30pm (too short, normally she sleeps 2 hours around noon)
S: they tried to put her to bed at daycare at 4.30pm but she screamed for 30min untill I was there to pick her up at 5pm, she was still upset when I came home 15min later even after a bike ride :( )
S: 6.30pm

Wednesday:
A: 5.30am
S: 8.45am - 10am (I had to wake her)
S: 1.30pm - 3.30pm
S: 7.10pm

Today Thursday (so far):
A: 5.15am
S: 9am - 10.15am (I had to wake her)
S: 3.45pm - ?   

Yesterday and today LO got really tired around 7am. Yesterday she stayed calm untill I put her to bed at 8.45am (I used the TV  :-[ ). She was really tired between her morning nap and afternoon nap, but I managed to get us outside so she kept interested. Same in the afternoon.
Today she somehow found a second wind after 7am, and happily played until 9am. Morning nap was no problem whatsoever. I got her outside after her morning nap to keep her occupied (she was looking tired and bored at 12am). We got home just before 2pm, and I put her to bed at 2.10pm. She was fighting sleep very much (she is Spirited, although sleep-trained (using Pantley's no-cry-sleep-solution because I didn't know about Tracy Hogg). I tried WI/WO but nothing helped. She was clearly OT, a behaviour she normally does not have. I did not know what to do, so I took her out of her crib, we went downstairs, she played with her kitchen utensils for 10 minutes, before a began my nap routine again, and this time she fell asleep after 15 minutes of "mantra crying"...
Is it really the 15 minutes difference of nap time that can do this? (2pm instead of 1.45pm, which would be exactly the same A time as yesterday?) Or is something else happening, like I saw this morning when she found the second wind? Is it because she had a relatively shorter night last night, that made her OT for the entire day today?

Any suggestions?

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Re: early waking and stuck with fixed nap schedule at daycare
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2011, 07:37:42 am »
Is it really the 15 minutes difference of nap time that can do this?
It can be, also her body is getting used to new sleeping times.

I would try now not to do am nap before 9.30am even with an EW.  Then pm nap at 2pm. 
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Re: early waking and stuck with fixed nap schedule at daycare
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2011, 09:14:27 am »
Thanks for your input!

Well, yesterday her pm nap was from 3.45pm - 4.30pm, way too short for her (normally she would need 2 hours) but I definitely think it was due to OT. She was crying afterwards for 45 minutes on my lap in the living room while I was reading books to her and quietly talking and singing to her... clearly needing more sleep but she did not know what to do with herself... poor girl.
Surprisingly she got through that phase (in the past I would put her to bed again after an hour or so) and she did very well in the evening, was not tired at all at 7pm, so after bath etc we ended up with a bedtime at 8pm. I did not plan it to be that way but somehow we ended up like that.
This morning she waked at 7am (wooooohooooo  8) 8) 8) ) and started to call for us at 7.20am!

I know the EW can't be solved this easily, so I am staying wary...
today I will try an am nap from 10.30am (because of the late waking  :) ) till 11.45am. Then lunch. And a pm nap from 3.15pm till she wakes herself. Maybe (just maybe) we could try a bedtime at 8pm again then? That makes for A times of 3.5 hours, that's about all she can handle now... certainly in such a big transition.
Then after a few days, maybe we could try to extend the A time in the morning to 4 hours, maybe even 4.5 hours, so she could nap at the "normal" time at daycare?
If she would keep having those late wake times in the morning, I think we could manage 2-nap days with daycare that way. And then when she's older, and I'm returning to work, maybe we could transition to 1-nap days then (with an earlier bedtime of course)

(I'm making waaaaaay too many plans now, I should know better because LO is not predictable at all... I bet she will wake at 5am tomorrow again  ::) )


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Re: early waking and stuck with fixed nap schedule at daycare
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2011, 09:37:12 am »
If she would keep having those late wake times in the morning, I think we could manage 2-nap days with daycare that way.
If she wakes at 7am I don't think you'd get her to do the 2 naps at daycare what with the first one starting at 8am :-\

Perhaps she could do one nap at daycare and 2 at home?
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Re: early waking and stuck with fixed nap schedule at daycare
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2011, 09:52:55 am »
Yes, that's what I meant:
1 big nap at 11.30am at daycare (drop the 8am nap, that one is horrible)
and maybe 1 30-minute catnap at home at 5pm during transitioning? (if she doesn't fight that one)

And in the weekends 2 naps at home, with an am nap a little earlier, around 10.45-11am maybe. Depending on whether she's managing the daycare-schedule well, or whether she needs to catch up on sleep during the weekends...

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Re: early waking and stuck with fixed nap schedule at daycare
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2011, 09:59:18 am »
That sounds like a good plan - do you have far to drive home from daycare - perhaps she'd have a catnap in the car...
LAURA xx