Anyone Want To Talk About the 2-1 Transition? Thread #13

[Lola's Mum]

Kim, that brought a tear to my eye. Think Lola misses her dad too. I put the phone on loud speaker and she got really upset after, looking around saying 'dada'. It's horrible not being able to explain. Hope you had a decent night.

After a few short NWs before 11pm, DD went on to sttn. Yday's routine was very strange but lm wondering if l should aim for the same again. It was 3hr A / 2.5hr nap / 5hr A / 30min nap / 2:10 A to BT. 3 hours is really short for her and 5 really long. I thnk if she was at home she probably wouldnt have lasted 5 hours. She was grizzly again this morning so l put her down just under 3 hrs and she was out like a light. Not sure what to do. Wake her after 90 mins sleep or leave her sleep as long as she wants. Even if she sleeps 2hr+ l would have time for 2 naps but l might risk UT in pm or night.

[bug_blues70]

Tons of hugs Kim! It's so hard when you're so OT and you're missing DH and DS is not cooperating. Do you have any family nearby?


CC - I have no experience with short am/long pm, but I'm guessing it's pretty similar to the other way around. IIWY, I'd stick with the schedule you have now until she stops STTN, starts getting EW, or you can't get her down for that 2nd nap. Then I'd probably just start gradually shortening that first nap 15 min at a time. She might be fussy about it at first, but then get used to it after a few days. If not, you can tweak the routine a little again or go back to the routine you have now for a while longer until she is more ready for a shorter nap. One thing you might want to think about is making sure not to apop for the nap you are planning to keep. I am in a cycle now where I almost have to give her a bottle before her first nap (the one I'm keeping) and she doesn't fall asleep all the way, but almost. I'm not sure if we're going to be able to get out of that habit, and looking back I wish I hadn't allowed it to develop.

Karen - Yay!! Hope it works out!! And yay for the you-time too!!

[kimmbba]

CC, I agree with Karen...if it's working, stick with it. 

I don't have family near, but ILs are coming for a visit in two weeks.  Last night was better.  He pretty much slept until 4:30 and then was restless unitl 5:30 when I tried to give him some water and get him back to sleep.  No luck.  SO, we'll try agian to get a decent nap today.  I'm pretty sure when he woke yesterday after an hour that he was OT, so I'll try to put him down a little earlier this morning.  If I could just get one "normal" day, I think things would level out.

He's got a bit of a runny nose this morning...and I didn't think about the fact that he started walking.  I guess I figured with the cruising for so long, actual steps wouldn't really disrupt his sleep?  I read BWSYP last night and feel like maybe it's a combo of milestones, and some AP.  We'll see!!

Hope everyone else is getting plenty of rest

[lulunut]

Hugs to you Kimmba.  It's hard on your own.  Coffee does help doesn't it!!?

Has anyone had success with W2S at this age?  Last night my Lo was up at 3:50 down easy, then up 20 min later cried until 4:30 and down again until 6am!  This is the time I want him up.  He has always been up at 5am. 

I have him on 4.25A 1 hr sleep, 3.5-4A (depends on wake time) 40 min nap and 3.5A then bed.  He seems to do really well with the last A time at 3.5.  It's the others that need fixing to rid of the EW.

Should I just keep pushing the am A time until I get him on one nap?

[sherry lynn]

Hmmm... neither of those naps are restorative. Have you thought up cutting the 40 min nap shorter to get a longer than 1 hr nap? Have you tried the short AM long PM nap? That is usually the thing that gets rid of the EW at this age.

[~Lori~]

Oh my word.....I should have done a 2 nap day with Tanner today   We've had 3 days of 1 nap days, the last 2 being 2+ hr naps.  Today, he was a MESS in the morning and I tried to hold him out till 12:30 (woke up at 7:45).  Yah, he slept 1.5hrs and was a WRECK ALL NIGHT.  Like writhing and fits galore over everything.  SO overtired and cranky   Was in bed at 6:30 tonight   Oh, it was a bad day

[ccaawc]

3 nites of STTN have come to an end...

dd woke last nite at 4ish, I think it was becos she kicked her blanket and she was cold (hands were cold). I bf her and she took almost 2 hrs to go back to sleep at 6! whereas before it only took her a min or two after I gave her the blanket. I don't know if this is an EW or NW that calls for a routine tweak or just a one off incident.

she woke again at 7:20am

aiming for 2 naps today so I put her down at 10:30( a bit later than usual as her usual wake up is 6:30), thought she'll short nap after so short an A time, but no, I went in to wake her at 11:10 so I can have enough time for the 2nd nap. She opened her eyes, then went back to sleep and just ignored my call and the bright light!!

so I let her sleep, and it is close to 1pm now, she is still sleeping...

would this be my accidental first one nap day? what shall I do to her pm nap and BT?

[Daylene]

CC ~ if my daughter sleeps until 1pm, she can make it to bedtime from there.  But I'm not sure how your LO does at night.  Tara can make up sleep at night and can also do 13-14 hours if we have an early BT.  Do you think your daughter can do 4.5-5 hours before bed?  After such a loooooong nap, they can sometimes do even more than normal.  So a BT of 6-ish might work.  A little before 6pm probably wouldn't hurt us; we've done it several times without trouble, but again, I don't want to assume your little girl is the same as mine.

Oh, and I think probably what happened is that first stretch of morning sleep, the 6-7:20 one, felt like her "first nap."  So to you, it's a one-nap day, but to her, it's still 2.

[spodnic]

Hi all from an occasional lurker!

Have had some success engineering my 14mo's naps. I'm really stuck between school runs, fixed bedtime because of other child etc, but at least EWs are now 6-6.30 instead of an hour earlier. We're mostly doing:

6.00 wake
10.15 nap
11.00 wake
3.15 nap
4pm wake
7.30 sleep

I need to get to a 12.45pm nap which is going to be hard and I wanted to do it over Easter when I don't have to do the school run but I don't think DD will be able to wait that long. I can work round it but the late naps aren't good as it makes her bedtime too late (or should I just do that, short term?).

Anyway, today's question is about early bedtimes. I give her her dinner at 4.30 and she has a last BF at 7, if I put her to bed early won't she wake up hungry? My DD is only 7.2kg at 14 months, so she has a tiny tummy (but eats like a horse!).

Hugs to you all in the same boat.
Nicola

[Daylene]

Nicola ~ welcome    About early bedtimes; some LO's might wake early from hunger, but many have trained their tummies to go all night without eating by now and the early bedtime doesn't change that.  We just try to fit in more calories during the awake hours. 

[sianie]

Hi Nicola!

When you say early BT, how early do you mean? Does your LO wake during the night to feed? Agree with Daylene about loading up on calories during the day. DS hasn't had a NF since he was around 7.5 mo & even when we've had to do early BT's (6.30pm) he's still slept through.

[Buntybear]

Hi, need some advice please. We are normally on 2 nap days now 4.25/1.5/3/20-30m/2.5-3 but due to a lie in and longer first A time I have let Olly sleep and he had now been asleep over 2 hours so aiming for a 1 nap day.

What last A time should I do?? Same as first, bit shorter or bit longer?? lol!

[~Karen~]

Let us know what time he wakes up!

[Lola's Mum]

Hi Nicola, as you start to push the first A time and while your LO still needs 2 naps could you do a short pm CN. I do a 30 min nap and her A time to bed is then 2.5hrs. I know if lve ever accidentally left her nap for 40/45 mins, her last A increases by at least 30mins. I know others do a 20 min CN. Im not that brave. With a short cn, you could then do a long first nap. Not sure if that would fit with your school run though. Having said all that, at 4:15 a time you probably arent too far off 1 nap.

The last 2 days, DD has done just under 3 hours for 1st A time. And then she sttn last night for over 12 hours. Dont know what this all about as she is snotty but otherwise in good spirits.

[Buntybear]

Hi, he slept just over 2.5 hours - awake 2.55pm. x