Anyone Want To Talk About the 2-1 Transition? Thread #13

[sianie]

Hey Karen, think Claire has some good suggestions. I have a similar problem to you with nursery pick up (but only for 2 or 3 days a week). I've done long AM nap as at least this guarantees at least 1 good nap then PM nap (which is always shorter) I can APOP in car/buggy if I have too. I found when I tried short AM/long PM that E didn't always go down well for PM nap &/or didn't sleep for long. It's a tricky one isn't it?!

Oh Sherry, hope your day gets better!!

Sarah - how long is his long nap usually? If it's 1.5hrs then that would take you to a WU around 4/4.30pm right? You can stick with this but would mean a later BT (depending on your LO's A times). Could you cut the 1st nap to make the PM nap earlier?

[~Karen~]

Second nap went well and I woke him at 255pm to leave to pick Amy up.  He's such a sweetie and just give me a smile when woken up.  Don't think I'd be that polite! 

Sian - That has been happening here as well and if he doesn't go down for 2nd nap then I can AP it.  Although I find it hard to AP nap if I'm on my own with all three kids and am more likely to do it if dh is at home to see to the other two.  We'll see how short/long goes for a while! 

[lilly_kitt]

hiya, his activity time is usually 3.30-4 so his bedtime would have to be 8 ish. Will try a 30 min am catnap and a longer pm and see how it goes.

[Buntybear]

Olly had a 50 min nap today at nursery. Not ideal but hopefully that will get longer as he gets used to it. Getting him in a quick CN now as we are out later and he needs to be in by 7.30!

[lulunut]

Someone had suggested to me to hold my LO and rock at the EW's.  It has so far been working.  I have to stay awake but he gets the extra time needed to push his day.  He has slowly been waking later.  Not sure if this may help some of you with EW's.

I couldn't figure out the EW's for a long time and just recently learned it was my DD.  She is waking at 5am and talking.  This wakes him.  She has been making up this time at naps and not going to bed as easily as before. 

Now I have to shorten her naps to get her to make up this time at NT in order for my LO to sleep longer!!

Urgh!

Hugs to all of you.

[LovelyLilyandJack]

I'm not sure what to do -- anyone want to look at my EASY and make some guesses?

Daylene - I would definitely try to push that first nap back a bit if you think your LO can handle it.  We were stuck on 1.5 hr naps for about a week, and then Lily woke at 6.10am on a nursery day and wouldn't go back to sleep.  I knew they wouldn't get 2 naps out of her, so rather than risk only 20 mins sleep all day (which has happened before when they've tried to force 2 naps), I told them to put her down after lunch as usual - after a 5.75 hr A time....  She napped 2.5 hrs that day and has slept at least 2 hrs every day since!

Not suggesting you go that far, but you might find an extra 30 mins makes all the difference.  I know it does for us - anything less than 4hr 45 mins guarantees a shorter nap for us now.

HTH

[Mama2C]

Keanan refused his half hour morning nap this morning. Sigh. I put him down at 12:30 (after a 5hr A time!! woah!) for his afternoon nap, he played in his bed for 15 mins and fell asleep around 12:45. He slept 1.5 hrs (which is his usual length of afternoon nap). But since it is so early I need to do an early BT...what time do you suggest? 5:45??? He can usually manage a 4+ hr afternoon wake time no problem so should I push BT to 6?? Scared of extended NWs!!

[Mama2C]

hiya, his activity time is usually 3.30-4 so his bedtime would have to be 8 ish. Will try a 30 min am catnap and a longer pm and see how it goes.

That is what we do - short Am nap and 1.5+ pm nap. It has helped except today he refused his Am nap and played in his bed instead!

[LovelyLilyandJack]

Mama2C - Am I working this out right?  Did you LO wake from his nap at 2.15pm?  If so I'd have tried a bedtime of about 6.30pm, but I don't know if I'm too late to suggest that now?!  I found once our LO started refusing her AM nap she was ready to do much longer A times and if she refused to sleep for a particularly long A time (given the opportunity to sleep earlier if she needed it), then she was a bit UT and could definitely stand being pushed a bit. 

But.... I don't know your history or how old your LO is so trust your instincts over mine!

[Lola's Mum]

Hi everyone, thought ld just update on the non-existant 1 nap days! I did 2 in a row and the 2nd day caused OT. DD has had 5 new teeth coming through (3 of them molars) and a bit of a cold so A times are down. I cant remember who but someone suggested l should set my alarm in the morning as l was just letting her wake up whenever. Ive been doing that and am really grateful for the suggestion. I set it for 7.30 as 7 is too early for the classes we go to. As her A times are 3:50/3:55/2:30, it means the day is only abt 12.5 hrs long. It will probably all change from tomorrow! Going out for afternoon tea for my mum's bday. Will get her to have her morning nap at home but really dont know if she'll sleep in the buggy for 2nd nap. I usually have to speed walk to get her to sleep. I guess it'll burn off the cakes! Hope everyone has a good night of lovely sleep.

[bug_blues70]

Hugs Karen and Sherry Lynn!! Sophie - glad you got it figured out!!

Karen - could you do nap one at 1030 - 12 (or even earlier if he'll go down) and nap two when you get home at 330 for 20 min, and then BT at 7ish (or 730 if he needs more atime)? Or are those atimes too short? I find (I think) that Ellen can do either long A before her 20 min and shorter after or vice versa, but if the total atime around the 20 min is right, it all works out. At least that's my theory.

So we had things figured out to a nice, beautiful 12.5 - 13 hr day and no NW... for two measly days. And then she went and changed it all up. MIL was babysitting and put her down exactly at the right time, but she played until 4hrs atime and then fell asleep. So I couldn't do a 2n day w/o a super late BT and now we're back to a 5:30 BT today. I think the last few times I've put her down so early, her atime was too short (4:45) and she had 2hr UT NW both times b/c of it, but tonight I did 5h20m (to get to at least 5:30) which might have been a tad too long, but I'd rather have her OT than UT as far as NWs go.

I'm wondering if she did the 4hr atime this morning b/c of her two good nights? Before, a 4 hr atime would always give us a 1h15m OT nap. Today she did 2hrs.

[Lola's Mum]

Megan, l might have it sorted but can just feel a change coming around. Yesterday Lola woke after 90mins for her first nap. The previous few days ld have to wake her. Maybe Ellen and Lola are getting used to the A times and ready to extend them a bit. I thnk lm going to stick with 2 nap days but try and start slowly and gradually extending the first A time. Im still going to cap first nap at 90mins so when the A times extends, hopefully the day wont get too long. Maybe l'll try a 1 nap day or leave her sleep for 1st nap when she can comfortably do 4.5 hrs A. She's so suscepible to OT that my head tells me to go slow. My heart says 'l love 1 nap days'. Oh well, hopefully it wont be too far off. She is 14 months after all. Megan, hope you dont have horrible night wakings.

[~Karen~]

Megan - That's sort of what were/are doing but then I've been getting some pm nap refusal.  I worry that he's catching up on night sleep with a long morning nap which is why were getting ew.  We're going down to my Mum's just after lunch today so I'll be letting him have a long am nap today as I imagine that pm nap will be a car one.  Thanks for the suggestion.  When he does have a long am nap then I'm probably letting him have too long a pm one as well so will have to cut it shorter in order to preserve bedtime.  Can't believe I'm into all this waking him up malarky, lol!  

Sounds like Ellen's doing great.  There's bound to be some blips along the way! 

We had a little bit of crying at bedtime but then he sttn till 535am.  I'll take that after the night before, lol!  I went to bed early as well so got a nice solid 7.5 hour sleep.  I needed that, lol! 

[lilly_kitt]

hiya, well after one nap in nursery at 1245 after a 6am wake up not surprisingly we had a shocking night. He woke at 6am this morning and just gone down for first nap. Any suggestions as to how long it should be to fit in another nap after lunch ?

[ccaawc]

 Karen, I did 8:15 but I think she was ready at around 7-7:30, my lo is 11.5 month

This is day 3 of lo trying the short am/long pm routine, she STTN both nites but the second nite is about an hr shorter than the first nite and now I started to get pm nap refusal too, I had to AP it today at almost 2pm and woke her at 3:30.

Shall I shorten the am nap further to 20 min? or do u think the refusal is OT related? She seems so sleepy all the time b4 the pm nap.