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Multi night wakings with 9 month old...Please help!
« on: January 18, 2011, 02:44:27 am »
I have a 9 month old that I am trying to sleep train by following the bw methods. It has been 4 days now and not only am I drained, but I feel as if I'm giving my LO unnecessary stress.

I had my LO on a great routine till she was 6 months. I originally used the "cry-out" method ...but when my LO turned 7 months and her sleeping routine went off track, I couldn't bear to use the cry-out method again. So instead, I took her out of her crib and out of her room and brought her to our family bed. She had no problem sleeping as long as I was in bed with her. In the beginning I didn't mind spending the extra time with my LO until I was behind on my chores. As soon as I would leave her side, she would wake up within 20 minutes. I then had a friend who had mentioned the bw book and here I am...

My LO is a self soother (she sucks her fingers) and has 6 teeth (and is currently not teething right now). She is crawling and cruising on whatever she can hold on too. And she almost never requires a night feeding (unless she is going through some sort of growth spurt).

Here is her schedule:
6:30am - Wake Up / Followed by bottle
 7:30am - Solids
(Activity)
9am - 1st Nap (can range from 20 - 45 min)
(Activity)
11am - Bottle w/ Snack
(Activity)
1pm - Solids
2pm - 2nd Nap (usually around 1.5 - 2hrs)
3:30 - 4pm - Bottle w/ Snack
5:30 - 6pm - Solids
6:30 - 7:30pm - Bedtime routine ... Bath time, Feeding, Book reading & Cuddle time (on a rocking chair)

When I first put her down into her crib at bedtime, she cried hysterically. I used the PD method and verbally reassured her that everything was OK. It took her only a day to get used to her crib..which was great! The problem that I am having is that she won't remain asleep.

During her naps, I give her a 15 - 20 minute "cool down" period and then put her in her crib. My LO still tries to get up, so I just firmly place my hands on her hips to make sure she stays down. She then sucks on her fingers to put herself to sleep (which usually takes about 5 - 10 mins). Then she ALWAYS seems to wake up about 30 to 40 minutes later. I then go back to her and do PD and firmly press on her hips again so she stays down. She then sucks her fingers and goes back to sleep instantly.

During bedtime, I give her a 30 - 60 minute "cool down" period and put her in her crib. She takes at least 20 to 60 minutes to put herself to sleep. During this time I am right by her crib, usually placing my hands on her hips so she doesn't sit or stand-up. It gets very draining for me. Then the night wakings begin. She usually starts her first wake-up at 11pm and every other 30 to 40 minutes after that. My husband and I believe we at least wake-up about 7 - 10 times a night. She wakes up by crying, then one of us goes into her room to PD and place a hand on her till she falls asleep .

I've also tried sleeping in her room. My LO in her crib, and I on the floor. She still continued to wake-up every 30 minutes. By 3am / 4am...I really just wanted to give up. But I thought if I continued her on a schedule, she may get better...but today is the 5th day and she has already woken up once! I'm dreading to imagine how many more times will she wake us up through the night.  Any advice?

Thanks~!

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Re: Multi night wakings with 9 month old...Please help!
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2011, 01:50:20 am »
Hi!

Sorry things are rough. Looks to me like you've just got some routine troubles. Her A time first thing in the morning is only 2.5 hours but then MUCH longer after her short nap before you offer her a second one. I am thinking she is OT by bedtime and just falling apart.

Here are some links you may find helpful:

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64158.msg476652#msg476652
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=85130.0

And this only b/c you're going to be headed in this direction in no time!
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=145285.0

A few other tidbits:

*When LO only naps a short nap...their usual A time needs to be shortened. That morning nap is def. too short.
*A 30 or so min. nap usually means they were OT and couldn't settle into sleep enough to sleep deeply through all sleep cycles...so they wake as they go into a lighter sleep cycle and can't settle back to sleep again. A 40/45 or so min. nap usually means they were UT and not tired enough when they went to sleep to sleep long enough b/c they just didn't need a long sleep yet.
*An early evening night wake usually means OT. (before midnight)
*A later night wake usually means UT. (after midnight)
*An early wake up (if it was less than a 10.5 hour night...so maybe 5am or so---and then being UP for the day) is usually OT as well. Early bedtimes help with these....VERY early bedtimes....like 5:30/6:00!!!!

Hope this helps!

I'd work on tweaking your A times to find what she needs.

If you have any questions, let us know!
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Re: Multi night wakings with 9 month old...Please help!
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2011, 01:59:09 am »
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I wouldn't hold her down. She will learn to stay down or to lie back down. You can just use PU/PD if she is crying and NOT trying to sleep. Go in, pick up, she stops crying, put her down, walk out, repeat until she falls asleep. Otherwise she may come to NEED you to hold her down for the feel of your hand/touch/pressure and it can become a prop.

Also, since you've used the CIO (cry it out) method in the past, don't be surprised if she takes awhile to settle back into a groove b/c she may have lingering anxiety from being left to cry in the past (unless she was super young) and when you first leave her it might freak her out...but she'll soon learn to trust that you will always come back and be there for her if she needs you.







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Re: Multi night wakings with 9 month old...Please help!
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2011, 14:59:07 pm »
Thanks for the advice!

Last night, we've started her bedtime routine around 5:30pm and used the PU/PD method...It was rough for about an hour, but she fell asleep about 1.5hrs later and stayed asleep until 3:30am. We then used the PU/PD method again to put her back to sleep. She just woke up twice (instead of the 10 + times she usually does)! I'm so happy with the immediate results. She was def OT and I do really need to work on her routine to make she she doesn't get too OT. Thanks again for your guidance~!

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2011, 15:20:50 pm »
Sure! Let me know how things go. We'll be here for any questions :)







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Re: Multi night wakings with 9 month old...Please help!
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2011, 21:11:41 pm »
Hello again. I'm back. We've made great progress from where we first started...but my husband and I sort of have a disagreement on what to do during her night-wakings.

On bad days...our LO has about 3 to 4 night-wakings. As soon as she starts crying, my husband wakes up and rushes to her. She usually is standing up in her crib crying. So my husband lies her back down in her crib, states a few gentle "shh" or "everything is OK" words and walks out. She sleeps fine until the next night-waking, where he does this all over again.

My problem is, she has A LOT more bad nights then good nights...and I feel as if we are not giving her time to soothe herself. When she wakes up at night, am I suppose to rush over to her and do the PD method? Or can I have her cry for about 5 minutes to see if she can settle herself? Then increase the increments by 5 minutes until she can put herself to sleep?
My husband doesn't believe we should wait too long because she may completely wake-up from her sleep. I just feel as if we've become a nighttime prop for her because as soon as we place her down, she sleeps!
Or does her routine need to be adjusted?

Her routine has changed. Her is her schedule:
Here is her schedule:
6am - Wake Up
6:15am - Bottle & Solids
(Activity)
8am - 1st Nap (usually 1 to 1.5hrs)
(Activity)
11am - Bottle & Solids
(Activity)
1pm - 2nd Nap (usually 1 to 1.5hrs)
4pm - Bottle w/ small snack
5:30pm - Solids
6 - 6:30pm - Bedtime routine ... Bath time, Feeding, Book reading

Honestly, these days, her 1st nap is getting shorter...for the past 3 days its been about 40 minutes. My plan was to push back her nap schedule about 30 minutes...

Also, I have a question about the 2nd nap. Should I wake my LO by 3pm? Sometime she can sleep past 3pm and I want her bedtime to be around 6 to 7pm...because no matter how late she sleeps, she always wakes up early. But my husband also believes in "never wake a sleeping baby." I don't agree with that comment. I feel that sometimes she is now UT and that's why she has some of her night wakings.

Thanks in advanced for any advice!

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Re: Multi night wakings with 9 month old...Please help!
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2011, 01:33:07 am »
Her first nap is very early in comparison to the time she wakes and her age. You can gradually push this nap out to about 9 or even 9:30 and let her sleep as long as she wants, but then her second nap is going to get later as well, meaning her bedtime is going to likely get later. This is fine temporarily but as she approaches the one year mark you'll probably find that you'll have to cut one of her naps in order to fit two naps in and not rob from night sleep. If I didn't cut my DD's morning nap when she was 10/11 months old, she would NOT take a second nap until very late which either ended up being a SUPER late bedtime OR that the second nap ended up BEING bedtime, meaning she was in bed for the night at 5/6pm and then up at 5am which I hated. So I cut her first nap short, let her nap as long as she liked for her second nap and then had a normal bedtime. That worked well until she was ready for just one nap around 15/16 months but it took a lot of tweaking to get to that point! So you have to decide if you want a later bedtime and a shorter night with two good long naps (if she'll cooperate!) OR if you want to cut a nap and keep your early bedtime and longer night. Let me know what you and your DH think and we'll try to tweak you a good routine :)

SO...as much as your DH has heard about not waking a sleeping baby....he probably hasn't heard about all those moms paying for it by having a baby who was awake all night and unsettled and needing rocking or nursing or bottles to get back to sleep b/c they weren't tired enough to sleep through the night on their own b/c they got too much daytime sleep. OR any variety of issues that many moms have with their babies....like ones who won't nap at all b/c moms used to never adjust the nap time or they didn't know how much sleep their babies actually needed. There is a LOT more info. available now about babies sleep needs and sleep patterns, etc. and rules change!

Also, the going in to her at night....I'd say there is a middle ground. He may be rushing in too soon and not giving her a chance to learn to settle...BUT we also don't advocate the plan you are talking about where you extend the length of time we let them cry until we go in. That is considered controlled crying. BW promotes a more comforting approach like your husband likes...but not necessary as fast :) You can hold back a min or two and listen to the way your LO is crying. Even if standing up, she knows how to lay back down. If she falls asleep at night and for naps by herself....she knows how to do so in the middle of the night as well. She is at an age where she may have some separation anxiety and want to know you are there...but once she knows you are, she should be able to settle herself to sleep and get over this constant waking. Plus as your routine gets more and more worked out, she should wake less as well. Anyway, when she DOES wake at night....you're right, if she is crying in an on and off kind of way, you can let her be a bit. If it is low or monotone or moany or anything like that, she could be settling herself. My DD sounded moany for her mantra cry (the falling asleep cry/noise that babies make) and she still does this now! If she is crying an "I NEED YOU" cry or her cry escalates or doesn't stop and start...after a min or so, go in, pick her up, when she calms, lay her down and leave. Don't provide too much interaction. Don't give too much eye contact or too much verbal reassurance. You can use one sleep phrase, like "shhh, it's sleepy time" but always use the same phrase and only say it once and leave. You repeat this every time she cries a real "I NEED YOU" cry...even if it's 20 times....it will get less each time and she will learn to settle herself.

I hope this helps!