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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2011, 14:34:22 pm »
huge hugs Sher xxx
have so so been there, for us 4.40 was an alarm clock call for MONTHS....

We are still on 10 hr nights and will never see longer again and they get earlier and earlier. Back to 8pm to 6am this morning...

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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2011, 19:13:14 pm »
How about a dr visit to rule anything else out?  3 seems soooooo early even for Lyle.  :-(

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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2011, 18:35:23 pm »
I've thought about it Jean, I really have. But, honestly, anytime I even mention that he does 10 hour nights (with the old doc, anyways) they are in total disbelief that I get him do sleep that long and go, wow, what a great sleeper you have, I'm dead serious :(
Honestly, I'm kind of just doing what ever I think we need for the day. Force a nap, or not, etc. And DLS is sooo soon that I am hoping that I can just stick to a 7pm-5:30/6am routine. Then maybe, slowly we can get to a later bedtime ???

Siobhain - Bummer........ Are you going to try to get back to the later bedtimes, or, since you have to work anyways, are you just going to stick to that routine?  I know in the future that is the routine we will have. It's just a matter of getting there. KWIM ???
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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2011, 19:42:16 pm »
I know you have tried so many behavioral type interventions with regards to a time, nap, no nap, etc.

I dont' know...I still think bouncing it off the new dr is a good idea, and hopefully the new one would be more of a partner and actually listen to you.  You are doing a great job trying everything, really.  I just keep thinking in the back of my mind that there could be something medical (like the pinworm or something odd like that may be mucking it up for you and Lyle, but then again maybe not; maybe the right dr would have something to suggest).  I know on the dr sears site it says that night waking can also be a sign of food related issues.  :-(  (I am thinking about doing some additional food trials for H's skin, so I was lurking there looking at food allergy info). 

 http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/t041800.asp  Scroll down to the chart/section where it talks about behavioral signs of food sensitivity.  He isn't waking hungry is he?  Is he getting enough during the day?  What do you think?

http://www.parentingscience.com/night-wakings.html  Anything stand out as a possiblity in this line up?  Bladder or snoring issues?  Grasping at straws for any other ideas. 

With a week of fever/illness, our furnace going out one night (finally the night after H's fever stopped, ironically), and then the next night Star had another seizure, we had a rough week this past one.  :-(  I don't know how you are hanging in there (I was hanging by a thread from only one week of it all). 

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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2011, 21:45:56 pm »
Although, I dont' know if you can call it a nwing.  Is he sleeping for 10+ hours without waking at all?  Or are there wakings in there, too?

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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2011, 02:55:55 am »
Hey Jean, I haven't read the links yet, it's getting late here. I will read them tomorrow. (hopefully)
We are having peeing issues. I just bought a new size diaper today, but then I went too far and got too big of a size. I bought the over night ones for the big boys. I should have got large, instead of XL.
No, we are having NWing issues. And unfortunately with the AP thrown into the mix I can't know if it's because we are still there when he falls asleep, and then not there in the middle of the night. HOWEVER, when he does nap. HE does tend to sleep 9+ hours, all the way through, it will just be a really early morning.
I let him nap as long as he wanted, and really it was a stupid decision because he started the nap later in the day today. I have no idea what time he finally went to bed because DH came in and took over because I had to log onto work. :(

Things have actually been better with the coping with it all, because I'm not feeding Emory  in the night anymore. HE might have one of two little night wakings, but over all his sleep has dramatically improved out of the middle of now where.
So, yey to that.

And yes, a time or two I'm pretty sure he woke hungry because he asked for food really really early, which he has never ever done before. So, trying to work on that as well. Going to talk to the OT about it big time as we need to start tackling the food issues.
*hugs* I hope star is doing ok. I'll try to send you a message on FB tomorrow.

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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2011, 06:21:09 am »
What AP are you using could that be the reason for him waking early?

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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2011, 08:21:48 am »
obhain - Bummer........ Are you going to try to get back to the later bedtimes, or, since you have to work anyways, are you just going to stick to that routine?

this is weekday routine, or def thurs, fri as he is so tired at the end of the week from preschool there is no other option.

DH and I were going out last night so we let miss Emma sleep 3 hrs in the afternoon (have to wake her at 1.5 to get her to do 12 overnight from 8-8 usually...but she'll do 12 just later if we let her sleep more).

So DH took Ozzie for a car nap around 3pm. He slept 3.30 to 4.30!!!

And the childminder put him to bed at 10.30 last night and Emma after 9pm. We got back at midnight and I thought I'd be guaranteed 8 hrs sleep but just before 7 Oscar was up playing with his cars. I went to him and told him he was nowhere near his 10 hrs, that he had to try holidaytime sleep. He did a poop, screamed about me being BORING, I told him I'd be back to check him in 10 mins and he fell asleep again around 7.40am. Its 9.10am and he's still asleep. Emma up since 8.40 so I can't complain.

Oscar's sleep is going to look like this for a while I think. 10 hrs not enough for him from Mon to Sun so he makes up for it with a Sat/Sun nap and nights and mornings are later Sun to Weds, gradually creeping earlier and earlier as the week goes on. When I think of it, most of us SHOULD sleep like this anyway, even as adults....so in a way its good.
Just having to THINK about his sleep when he's nearly 5 is really silly though...though I am glad I do and that I now understand the best I can expect from him because it is 10/10.5 hours. No more, no less.

One thing I did when I started on the track to "fix" things for us was make sure to give Oscar a snack JUST before bed. He is a brekkie person, LOVES his, and his stomach in those old days when I'd try and AP him back to sleep at 4.45am was GROWLING for food. So he has main meal at home around 5pm and then a bowl of cheerios or cornflakes or some toast and honey around 7/8pm.
Another thing is that Oscar's sleep has also (maybe coincidentially) improved with him eating little and very often. In his first preschool he was a non-eater. HE'd have a decent breakfast and then would spend the day from 8am to 3pm almost eating NOTHING....maybe a tiny fromage frais and lots of water. Thy never forced the issue with him and then he'd be ravenous on the commute home and would eat the entire contents of his lunchbox and not be hungry for main meal at home.

He now has brekkie at home, 2nd brekkie 10am, soup and main course (but small portions) 12 noon, snack at 2.30 and snack at 4pm, (all at preschool, all kids eat the same thing so its very easy to get him to eat) and then we eat around 5-5.30 depending on commute and cheerios at 7/8pm.

as for nappies, leaky ones NEVER woke Oscar till 5am ish but maybe that was when he was doing that big pee in his sleep and waking as a result.

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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2011, 12:44:02 pm »
Jumping on your thread again...  Have been on holiday so only skimmed the remaining replies from the previous one.  I think DD has pretty much become a 10.5 hour sleeper since the nap drop.  However, I am finally now beginning to see her handle the day so much better.  When on holiday we would get a few 11 hour nights, then by around the 4th night after no nap, the night would go to around 10.5 hours.  If the night slips below that I throw in a nap and I don't wake her now - it is a 'catch up' and doesn't seem to mess with things.  I am crossing my fingers that with the jet lag and different time zones we are moving away from 6.45pm - 5.30am as on holiday we did 8.30pm - 7am.  DD is also a breakfast person - 3 serving of different cereals before toast, and also tells me her tummy is rumbling!!!  I have just explained to DD that she is not allowed to wake and start the day at 5.30am anymore now that the holidays are over.  Can you get strict with him about staying in his bed and like Eloyse said, hope that he catches the next sleep bus? 

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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2011, 14:37:53 pm »
No, Natasha, the AP just started recently.
We are laying with him, many nights while he goes to bed. He still wake early, FOR GOOD, whether we are there or not. We've tried many times to just be there when he wakes.
And he was sleeping 11-12 hours many nights, even after we started laying with him.
I think he's just adjusting. He isn't as cranky most days, and he is DOG tired at 6 anymore.
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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2011, 14:45:35 pm »
We are strict about getting up now. We are using the bunny clock. The only thing is we have to go in his room and lay with him or he screams and carries on, waking DS2. We don't turn lights on or anything. Then as soon as bunny wakes up he can leave the room. Some mornings he will lie there with me the whole time. Some morning he is jumping all over me. And then some mornings. Like this morning he is trying to play in the dark.

The new diapers seemed to do the trick with leaking at least.
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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2011, 13:41:30 pm »
How are things going, Sher? 

Heath has come out of his room the past two mornings.  Oh, boy.  Which clock do you have?  How did the lights go?

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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2011, 00:54:07 am »
This is the clock : http://www.onestepahead.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=536615&cmSource=Search
He totally gets it now, and he does not scream and holler to come out of his room in the morning. We now have it set for 6am. It's not really helping to make him sleep longer. I still go in his room when he calls for me. Anytime between 3 and 5 am.
I think we are pretty solidly on 10.5 hours at night, and he seems to be coping really well during the day.

It has been 6 days now since he's had a nap. He was a little off today, but not too bad at all, considering where we were two months ago. We have had a few later wake ups this week, but both of those nights he had night wakings, I'm not sure for how long.

I bought him a new lego night light. To start seeing if I can get out of the room more. It went well tonight, he loves it, and he was talking to his horse about it.
We seem to have shifted about 1/2 hour at night, but he is only sleeping about 15 minutes later in the morning. So we seem to be pretty consistent at 6:30pm - 5am. We were at about 6/6:15-4:45 sometimes earlier.  The good news is that for the last 6 days we have not had a start to the day before 5am. 

Is everybody feeling better?
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Re: No nap - settling into 10.5 hour nights?
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2011, 03:01:45 am »
Good news on the shifting.  Thanks for the clock info!  I will take a peek. 

The humans are better; Star had two more seizures, so the vet wanted to up her meds again.  The meds makes her drink a lot, which makes her need to pee a lot (several times a night).  That means I am on the sofa right now (she is on her pet bed with extra blankets in case she wets), so it is easy to take her out at night.  Hopefully it is not too long until she adjusts to this dose.  YAWN! 

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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2011, 12:58:33 pm »
Sher, does it glow brightly?  I am worried that any light is going to disturb his sleep.  I saw another clock on amazon, but it says the clock makes a bit of noise as the monkey opens it's eyes.  Others noted that the eye opening noise can wake los, too.  The two things he is most sensitive include light and noise (eye roll).  If I had a timer to to turn on something that isn't very bright, that would work...  Let me know about the brightness; how much of the room can you see when it is on? 

Hope you had a sleep in today.  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX