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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2011, 20:31:39 pm »
This is the trap we always fall into.  We try an early bedtime but lately he has been handling himself a lot better up until bedtime, even on a shorter nap, and so our early bedtime often means he takes much longer to go off.  So it's a judgment call really.  Early bedtime has never meant a longer night for us.  It only means we don't have to put up with a cranky kid but I am more willing to deal with a bit of crankiness these days to not be up at 5 a.m. again.  I am getting tougher on the behaviours I think.  No you will not throw and bite and whatever when you are tired.  

I think if you do early bedtime and he's not a tacker then that puts you back around 5 and you get stuck there like you said.  But I think 8 on a short nap might be pushing it.  How brave are you feeling today?  You could try pushing his nap out further tomorrow.  We get our best naps between 6-7 hrs A.

It is a long day and A time, there's no doubt.  But it's about breaking the cycle if you can.  You can go ahead and clean it up with earlier bedtime tomorrow if it mucks up.

Have you tried a DF of meds?  Also W2S can sometimes give you another 1/2 hr which at that time of the morning is actually preferable and worth the shot.  What was suggested recently was that you do W2S in the earlier part of th night actually...so around 11ish before you go to bed yourself.  Then it kind of resets them for the rest of the night.  The night we actually planned to do it he had a NW at 10:30 anyway lol  He loves to thwart any or all attempts to get out of the EW cycle.

I will be honest and say with these teeth it's really survival and tweaking doesn't always help.  And yeah, they take forever to finally come through, we were working on them from 18 mths until now.  So like Sept - Feb lol
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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2011, 20:38:06 pm »
I will be honest and say with these teeth it's really survival and tweaking doesn't always help.  And yeah, they take forever to finally come through, we were working on them from 18 mths until now.  So like Sept - Feb lol

This is so true!  It's been 6 mo for us, but I *think* I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.  Survival has been the name of the game for us!  Hope they go quicker for you, Amy!!



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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2011, 20:49:19 pm »
Like you said, Wendy, I don't want to fall into the trap of a cycle... at some point, I just have to cut the cord and go for it. If I do 7pm tonight and he is up again at 5, then I am in the same pudding we have been in for a whole week. Ya know?  :-\

I know he will only tack missing sleep onto night sleep in extreme cases... it has only ever happened once in his life. We were away last month and with the time change and being sick he was doing 8-9 hr nights and then naps went to crap. We were away for 2 weeks and it was only after we came home that he did 2 nights of 13-14 hrs with a long nap during the day. Then pop, it was back to normal for two weeks until suddenly we were in this mess. So I can be 99% certain that he will not just have a longer night when he needs it.  

I wish that I had woken him from that super long nap now, even after three hrs which still would have been long for him. Arg! Hindsight is 20/20, I guess. And I was sleeping, too!

Ok, so here is my plan. Tonight we do 7:30 bedtime, 7:40 if I can get him that far without a meltdown. If he has NW, so be it. Hopefully he will then sleep until 5:30-6:00, which makes tomorrow just a bit more managable and I can judge tomorrow's bedtime based on how long tomorrow's nap is. I will put his nap after 6 hrs 15 min, since 6.5 hrs today resulted in a shorter nap than usual; it may have been too much at once.

Thanks for the support and ideas guys, I appreciate it!
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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2011, 20:51:53 pm »
Oh God, I have no delusions about these teeth coming in quickly! So sad, but so true. He started with his first teeth at 4 months, and has never been graceful about it. It would be lovely if these ones were less bother for us both, but we'll have to see!

At least he can tell me now when his mouth is sore, and ask for "sin" (medicine).
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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2011, 13:08:54 pm »
Ugh, see... this is why I never post. You guys have so many new posts in this board and I feel like I am wasting your time. Sorry!

Last night was awful, the worst we have had in a long time. He was cranky and whiny by 4pm, but we stuck it through and he went down at 7:30. Who knows how the night would have gone if his stupid, stupid fan (white noise) hadn't broken at midnight. Of course it didn't break by dying... it broke by squeaking and squealing loudly. I lay there for a few minutes trying to figure out what the heck the sound was and then ran in to turn it off. He wasn't crying but as soon as I turned it off I heard "Mommy? Hug?" from the crib. Gave him a hug, tucked him back in, and left. About 10 minutes later the whining started. I figured ok, fair enough, he is used to sleeping with a fan and may want/need that noise. So I went in and fumbled around turning on his ceiling fan, and of course I screwed it up and turned on the overhead light. Got that fixed, and realized that the fan was nearly silent and wasn't going to do any good. I was fumbling around in the dark (note to self: buy a nightlight for that room) trying to turn on his radio to static when DH came in to "help". I love that man, but I was angry that he came in. Nathan immediately starting crying for his daddy and hugs, so I soothed him again while Scott fixed the radio properly since he knows how to use it better than me. I also medicated Nathan with pain meds then, just in case. DH went back to bed and I proceeded to do WI/WO with a now OS and wide awake Nathan for another 30 minutes. He really was freaking out, so I was going in every 20 seconds to comfort him and leave again. After about 30 min he calmed down so I went back to bed, but lay there until 2:30am (yes, 2-freakin'-30 AM) listening to him fussing and whining and mantra crying, trying to go back to sleep. Now DH and I are usually ones, I admit, to run in right away at night and put him back to sleep. With #2 on the way, though, I really want to work on this and increase his abilities to self sooth at night. I mean, half the time he just needs lovey or to be tucked back in. So I lay there and listened. DH and I had a fight in whispers about him coming into the room to do the radio when he knows that is a no-no if I am already in there, and why I am not going in to resettle Nathan immediately like I usually do (DH is so anti-CC/CIO that it has become a bit of an extreme; he won't even let him cry.)

Anyway, at 2:30 (after 2.5 hrs total) Nathan started crying in earnest so I gave in and went in with milk. I am mad at myself for that, because we don't feed NW around here anymore. But I was so tired and needed to sleep that I did what I knew would work (and would have worked that whole time, to be honest) so I gave him the warm milk and sat beside the crib while he drank it and tucked him in AGAIN afterwards. That worked and we all went to sleep until he woke us up at 7:10 (unheard of).

Sorry about the novel. I am a wreck this morning. I am tired and mad that #2 is coming and I didn't get him to settle himself but had to feed him. DS is in a fantastic mood, tearing around the house and playing. I am sitting here with my stupid half-decaf trying to figure out if both of us will last even 6hrs until naptime. I am glad that he slept in, but I know it was just because of sheer exhaustion from that NW.

So my plan is, I think, to keep him up for 6.5 hrs but watch him carefully for signs that he needs to go down at 6 hrs. Because he slept in he has made up some of that missing night sleep, so he isn't OT; he should be fine for 6.5 hrs I think. I won't let him sleep longer than 2 hrs though, and we will do a slightly pushed out bedtime of 7:45/8:00 (depending on how the nap does go).

All because of that stupid STUPID fan. Oh well, at least he didn't get up at 5:00. And I am definitely napping when he does. Of course, DH and I chose to stay up until 11pm last night watching a movie.
Amy


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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2011, 13:16:57 pm »
What a night!!  ::) {{Hugs}} Amy, sounds like you need them!

Definitely sounds like the fan saga started the whole thing off..Grrr!

I think you are right to keep an eye out for sleepy signs, I know with my 2 if they have a NW but then sleep in a bit later they generally do get tired a bit earlier than normal as they have had disrupted sleep iykwim?

Get some rest when he's napping! :-*


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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2011, 13:21:21 pm »
Big hugs Amy! I've had nights like that too and had to give in and give a bit of milk cause I was SO tired and knew it would work. And then kicked myself and felt guilty but you know what, it's always a once-off and don't worry about that. TBH, I'd still shoot for a 1pm nap since he had a rough night. And then wake him 2:30 and aim for 7:45 bedtime to try to get back on track? Hope you get some rest and have a better night!
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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2011, 13:43:53 pm »
Thanks Guys! We are going to have a low-key morning just hanging around here, and he can go down at about 1:00. He is in a good mood, but I can tell that he is tired.

Hopefully this will be enough to kick us out of the 5:00am trap, anyway!
Amy


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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2011, 13:44:32 pm »
More (((hugs))), hon!!  And don't kick yourself too much; you did what you needed to both get some sleep and it's not likely to become a habit.  Sometimes we just gotta do it!  It sounds like you've got a really good plan and a good starting point.  Hope you both get a nice rest today!  :-* :-*



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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2011, 18:26:38 pm »
Amy, I've been thinking about you guys and hoping everything's sorted now with N's sleep.  Is it going better?



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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2011, 18:27:23 pm »
Oh yeah, good point, what's the skinny?
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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2011, 18:33:09 pm »
We are doing ok now, I think (can you hear me knock on wood?). He is only napping for 1.5 hrs these days (I am not capping them; he just wakes up then), but is waking up between 6-6:30 am again which is good. Well, not good, but... better than 5:00 am! That was his norm before he went wonky. My plan is that on days if/when he naps longer, I will push out his bedtime so that he gets a nice long stretch of A time there.

Thanks for checking in! And thanks for your help; I was having trouble seeing the forest for the trees, there.
Amy


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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2011, 18:40:11 pm »
Sounds good!  :)



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Re: Mega EWs with 22 mo old are driving us nuts
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2011, 20:37:04 pm »
Good news Amy!  :)
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