NW's not sure what to do......

[mmom]

Are there any other issues Amy?  Reflux?  Anything like that?  If not, I would give just plain water and nothing else.  She won't want that.

[*Amy*]

Think she is sick now - has a temp of 39.7 - has been off her milk all day. also I think she is favouring the bottle over the breast so I was planning on taking my time weaning completely but looks like she has other ideas!

[mmom]

((HUGS))  I am sorry.   Maybe you can post on the BF board and see if you get some ideas?

[*Amy*]

scrap that - now she won't take the bottle AT ALL and only wants to be BF!! these kids keep you on your toes
just when you think you have them all figured out LOL
Still has a temp - must be teething - so going to leave it for a while till she is better!

[mmom]

Many hugs to you and I hope she feels better soon!

[*Amy*]

Hi So last night was the first night of tackling the NW's since she was sick.
She took 5 oz at 5.45pm and was asleep by 6.15pm
She woke at 8pm and was off and on (awake and asleep) until about 9.30pm - in the end I heated a bottle of water and she drank about 4oz and fell asleep. (it was very hot here yesterday 35 degrees??)
then she woke at 12.25am and I fed her she took another 5oz.
She then woke at 3am and was awake until maybe 3.45am when I again gave her warm water and she took another 4oz. She fell back asleep again and woke at 6.35am (she may even have gone longer but DH was up and the batteries were dead in the Ipod in her room with the white noise on it!)
So I think that was a success last night
On waking though she only took one side - I waited a few mins and then she went on to the other side, but she promptly threw all of this up once she unlatched - so I guess she didn't need it!
Only doing 4 hourly feeds today.
Is it ok to heat the bottle of water?

thanks
Amyx

[mmom]

When I had to heat water, I heated it either prior to putting it in the bottle or heated the bottle in a cup with hot water.

How much does she drink per feed during the day?

[*Amy*]

I heat the water then put it in the bottle -
Today
6.30am - BF one side (vomited the other side after MUCH persuasion to take it!)
10.30am - Bottle 6.5oz
2.30pm BF - both sides
6pm - 6.5oz
She had cheese, yog, cucumber, carrots, strawberries, and raspberries today.
I think she is swallowing a good amount esp the cheese (takes after me there!)

Thinking back - DS was the same he would guzzle warm water in a bottle

[*Amy*]

So last night she had her last bottle at 6pm - 6.5oz
She woke at 11pm and I gave her another bottle and she drank the full 7oz (first time drinking the full lot!)
She then woke at 2.30am I went in and gave her a drink of water and she fell back asleep only until 4am when I went in and gave her some pain meds and another drink of water.
At 4am she drank a bit of water but maybe 1/2oz.
She woke for the day at 6.10am - but didn't feed until 6.30am and really wasn't that interested!!

[mmom]

Hmmm, I wonder why she won't take a morning bottle.  Can you post on the bottle feeding boards?

Otherwise, it looks a like a success though!

[*Amy*]

Things aren't going so well
The other night I went out and left a lady to babysit. I told her that if DD wakes before 10pm not to feed but to resettle - so she did and she didn't wake again until 4am!!!
Last night though she woke at the usual 11pm - took 5oz.
She then woke at 3am - took water and resettled easily. She then woke at 4am and wouldn't take the water, she sounded like she was hungry so I gave her a bottle - less two scoops of formula - she drank the entire bottle.....she doesn't do that in the day time, it is probably the second time she has ever drank the whole thing!
So then she woke at 6.10am for the day. I gave her her morning bottle at 7.30am and she took just 4.5oz
During the day she is getting max 21/22oz, I am doing BLW so not sure she is getting full from solids.
Do you think she is drinking enough during the day?
I am thinking perhaps I should resettle for the 11pm feed and work on the other NW - what do you think?

[mmom]

(((HUGS))) Amy.  I wonder if she was just fighting you for that bottle and had you stood your ground, she would have gone back to sleep. If you make the decision to wean a bottle, definitely stay strong.

You could try the 11 pm bottle.  You said she is waking for it now?  Maybe you would have the energy to tackle it earlier in the evening.

As for food during the day, I would work on eliminating NFs and making sure you offer solids, but not so many that your LO won't drink.  Make sense?

[*Amy*]

Hi,

So last night she went to sleep at 6.30pm and woke for a bottle at 11pm and drank the entire thing! she then woke for the day at 5am - I offered her water at 5am which she took and was drifting back to sleep when she did a poo! So she was up for the day then at 5.20am
She also wasn't hungry for the morning bottle - I gave it to her at 5.45am and she only took 5oz
Gave her more solids yesterday and was more persistent about her finishing her bottles - my friend told me to put on mickey mouse to distract them and it worked LOL! (the things you do!)
So I am taking from this that if i got her back to sleep she could have gone to maybe 6.30am without another feed!
Cause I am doing BLW I am not sure how much she is actually eating as the dog is always hovering to pick up the leftovers!
Not sure if you can answer this one though
She woke at 5am but I didn't lift her from the cot until 5.20 (except to give her water) and she was dozing on and off, her morning A time is normally 2 hours 20mins but she was irritable at 2 hours 10min so I put her down - should I have kept to the morning A time???

[mmom]

Technically, the A time starts from the moment she wakes. But some moms still push that first morning A in an attempt to get rid of the EW.  you may get an OT first nap if you do that though.

I am thinking you should post on the bottle feeding board about her not feeding during the day and taking in more calories at night.  It feels like something is up, yet I am not sure how to advise.  I know you are frustrated and I want you to get support for it.

[*Amy*]

Well we had some success last night
I stuck to the 4 hours between bottles and actually the last one of the day was 5 hours!
So yesterday went
wake 5.20 am
Eat 5.45am 5oz
Sleep 7.30am
Wake 9.15am
Eat 9.30am 6oz
Sleep 12pm
Wake 1.45pm
Eat 2pm Bottle 60z
Sleep 5.10pm (was late home - had to be rocked to sleep)
Bed 7pm Bottle 6oz
She went to sleep so much easier and she didn't wake until 2.20am!! no 11pm waking !!!
I got up gave her water and pain meds for teeth and it took her to 3am but she fell back asleep - she wasn't hungry just chatting in cot.
She woke then at 5.10am and as she shares with her brother I didn't want her to wake him then so I gave her 4oz of water with 3 scoops of milk - she was crying so I thought she was hungry - this settled her and she slept then until 6am.
I tried to give her her morning bottle at 7am but she drank just 3oz so already I have started off on the wrong foot today
What should I do with the 5am wake up - should I just feed a regular bottle??
I mixed the left over formula with some weetabix so hopefully that will help
Amy