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Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« on: March 07, 2011, 08:59:39 am »
Dear BW ladies,

I have been following along on posts really similar to my issues but just wondered if anyone could cast a light on my EASY as it had been working so well for my DD. She will be 6 months this week. We've been having really early wakings for a couple of weeks, it used to be closer to 7am, then towards 5.30, now closer to 5. My approach has been a bit inconsistent as nothing really seems to make a difference. She wakes babbling, not crying, so I am reluctant to feed straight away, but if I leave it too long to feed I can't get a 4-hr routine/12 hr day working. So I've tried both feeding straight away before she's really frustrated crying or leaving it 1/2 hr until she is. She will usually take all I offer, and then I try both PUPD and ignoring the babbling and no lights on until 6.30 ish. But I think she has only resettled once in the last week or more, and it's so hard to start your day with an hour and a half of trying to settle a baby in the dark with little hope it will work. This past weekend we were staying with family and her naps were terrible too, 45-mins back with a vengeance, and it's too hard to spend ages trying to extend them in someone elses house. Yesterday she would not catnap and was awake for about 4 hrs in afternoon, but happy. How?! I am lost on her activity times. I also need to start solids and don't know how or when I will fit it into the day.

I won't post my EASY from the weekend because it was a mess and not very typical, lots of AP to sleep in car etc. I will when I see how today goes, but so far:

Awake babbling 5.15.am
E: fed 5 oz straight away which was all taken (she only had a 4oz dreamfeed last night as so tired at 11pm, so I was worried about hunger this am) then tried PUPD and just ignoring babbling with lights off until 6.30 am when I gave up
E: top up of 1oz at 7.15
A: back for a nap at 7.40 but she was really fighting going down and took a bit of PUPD
S: asleep at 7.45 am, woke crying 45 mins later but sshed back to sleep.
to be continued...

My questions really are:

- when she wakes at 5.15 ish do I feed straight away, and start counting my 4hr routine from then, or wait an hr and count from then. I've never been clear on this, because we always wanted a 7am start and used to have it, so I fed at 7,11,3 and before 7 bedtime. But that's out the window now
- to try to get some consistency should I have her in bed at 12 hrs after wake up time, so 5.15 pm? I hate the idea of that but am willing to try to fix this
- what are typical 6 month olds doing in terms of activity times? Last week on a good day I was working with 2 1/2 hrs pretty successfully, I got a lot of good 1 1/2 hr naps. The catnap has not been longer than 45 mins in some time, and last week in pram it was as short as 20-30 mins most days. Can activity times take a sudden leap?
- Is this developmental and will it change? I really struggle with a wake up before 6, even though I do get to bed early. Mentally it feels like the middle of the night. And I really feel DD is tired too, she's a pretty good sleeper when she goes down but the past weekend she has been getting only 10 hrs night sleep and I just don't think it's enough
- This is just a moan but none of my new mum friends have anything like this going on, and they all think I just put her to bed too early. But I've tried 6pm bed, 7pm bed but am still up after 5 and DD has just had less sleep! So frustrating, as the day is totally skewed when we're up so early and baby groups etc so hard to fit in.

Thanks all! I'd love to hear if someone got over this EWs and how to approach.


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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2011, 14:54:01 pm »
Let's give you a bump and see if we can get you some answers :)

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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2011, 05:02:13 am »
Hi there-

Sorry you haven't gotten much advice yet.  Let's see if we can't figure something out.

So it sounds to me without seeing your EASY that you are needing a A time increase and if you haven't it is time to drop the CN all together.  Maybe you could post what your easy looked like today (or yesterday) and we can glean something from it.

- when she wakes at 5.15 ish do I feed straight away, and start counting my 4hr routine from then,
This depends..is she EBF or FF?  Do you think she could be going through a GS?   If she seems hungry I tend to feed.  After 2 yrs I have learned a hungry baby will not sleep and both of mine seem to get VERY hungry in the early morning.


- to try to get some consistency should I have her in bed at 12 hrs after wake up time, so 5.15 pm? I hate the idea of that but am willing to try to fix this
Most likely not.  Around this age you have to pull away from the 12hr day for a bit so you have enough time to get everything in.  It will also depend on your LO.  Most will do about a 13hr day/11hr night.  UNLESS, you are in an OT cycle and then the answer is most likely yes.


- what are typical 6 month olds doing in terms of activity times?

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=164029.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=164030.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64837.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64158.0

I think these links should cover your questions about this...not sure if you are closer to 6 or 7mo.


- Is this developmental and will it change?
It could be..has she started crawling or pulling up?  Does she have opportunity to try out all her new skills during the day?   Also is there any teeth trying to come through?

- This is just a moan but none of my new mum friends have anything like this going on, and they all think I just put her to bed too early. But I've tried 6pm bed, 7pm bed but am still up after 5 and DD has just had less sleep! So frustrating, as the day is totally skewed when we're up so early and baby groups etc so hard to fit in.

{{{HUGS}}}  It is so hard not to compare your LO to others.  I have found that non-BW moms tend to not tell the full truth about what their LO's are doing.  For example my SIL has an angel baby and it seems like everything is just right...but if you start asking the real questions he short naps and gets up several times a night...she just does not always go to him.  So unless they are willing to come to your house and take care of the night sleep they can just go jump off a bridge with their advice.
 
I hope some of this helps.  Let's see your easy next and see if there is a tweak...which I suspect there is something we can do

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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2011, 08:48:14 am »
Thanks Sarah for getting back to me, let me post yesterday's EASY:

DD is 6 months in 2 days time and is now totally FF.
Awake 5.15 am crying. I fed pretty much straight away, 5oz. Put her back down to sleep but crying continued. PUPD didn't work so we got up at 6am
E: tried a top up, had 4oz at 7.30
A: up to 8am, so 2hr 45 awake in total counting the time I spent trying to resettle
S: a good 1 1/2 hr nap
E: Fed at 11am, only 4 oz, then tried a little baby rice and pear at 11.30 of which she took maybe a tsp or two
A: awake another 2 hr 40 mins till 12.10. She played really well.
S: 1 hr 30 nap until 1.40pm, she woke crying twice but was still asleep, I was able to ssh her over without picking her up
E: Fed at 3pm
A: I tried for a catnap in cot at 4.10 but she fought it really badly, I had to end up taking her out in pram for a quick nap, she went over at 5pm, so she'd been awake 3hrs 15 at that stage and slept for 15 mins
S: 15 mins till 5.05
A: Teaspoon of solids (veg) bath and winddown for bed
E: Bottle of 6 oz at 6.20pm
S: Asleep easily at 6.40pm
Slept pretty soundly but woke crying at 10pm. Normally, or at least a few days ago we were lifting her at 11ish for the dreamfeed, last night fed at 10.30 as she couldn't be resettled but she only took 5oz (while ago was 7+)
S: Slept through till 5.10. I heard her stir at 3.30 and 4.30 ish but she fell back to sleep
This morning at 5.10 we left her to 5.30, fed 5oz, think she might have taken more, and put her down again. She did resettle after 6 for another hour to 7.05. That was great as rarely happens.

Since I've started a tiny bit of solids she has started having BM in the really early morning in bed. Could this be waking her? Is it related to what or when I feed her. As yet solids are a bit erratic, some days once, some days another small taste in evening. Also her bottle feeds are a bit difficult at the moment, she takes a few ounces then it's a fight to get any more in. I changed to the number three teats but she hasn't really got the hang of them yet, is spluttering a fair bit.

Anyway I hope that all makes sense, we'll see how today goes. Since she was up for the day at 7 I'm going to try 2 hr 40 awake time and see what happens to the catnap. Thanks for all the links, I will get a read today I hope.

And thanks for the advice re. don't compare! I know you are right, I have always suspected I am not hearing the whole picture!

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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2011, 08:56:58 am »
Sarah I didn't answer a couple of your questions...

No teeth yet but they had been bothering her past week or two. I try teething powders now and again but nothing consistent

And yes she does get time during day to play on the mat. She's rolled a few times and sits up really well supported, she's not that happy on her back on the mat anymore, complains a lot and plays with toys much better sat in her highchair.

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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2011, 10:38:49 am »
Well starting my day at 7am hasn't helped, I put DD down at 9.30, took 10 mins to settle and slept 30 mins, impossible to resettle. Sigh, we go on...

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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2011, 16:39:11 pm »
One thing that is kind of jumping out at me is the change to all FF.  Are you dealing with reflux or intolerance?
The easy you are showing me looks like those who are having discomfort issues.

Since I've started a tiny bit of solids she has started having BM in the really early morning in bed

This for sure causes issues for some LO's.  Some moms find it easier to give fruit/veg early in the day and only cereals/carbs in the evening until they become more established on solids. 

I changed to the number three teats but she hasn't really got the hang of them yet, is spluttering a fair bit.
Was there a reason you moved up in size?  Three is a bit fast for lots of LO's at 6mo.  If you do not have reflux or intolerance, you may be getting gas from the too fast flow of your teat which could be causing the discomfort. 

Also, I am thinking it may be time to drop the CN.  Did you get a chance to read the links I sent you?

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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2011, 17:48:36 pm »
I don't think I'm dealing with reflux, but can't be sure it's not discomfort, or at least nothing has ever been diagnosed. She's on Aptamil No.1 and has had a formula dreamfeed for quite a while.
I moved up teat size as she had been having pretty consistent 6-7 oz bottles but has started taking 3-4 oz and then I really have a struggle on my hands getting her to take the rest, then we had a couple of hungry middle of the night wakings, so I moved up to try to get more in during the day. But I certainly wonder are you right, it coincides with bad naps re-emerging.
Thanks for the tip on solids, I'll give that a go sticking to cereral in the evening.
I did read the links you sent me thanks, I was really thinking it would be worth trying to drop the catnap today and see what happened since we had a 7am start, but my naps were all so short today and we ended up AP in the car for two of them. I stuck to between 2hr30 and 2hr40 activity for first nap as I have been doing for the past few days but a 30 min nap after. She's only had about two and a half hours sleep altogether today so we'll see what tonight brings! Do you think because I've been having so many 5.30'ish am wakings, and mostly going down for a nap around 8 - 8.30, that since today I tried an hour later at 9.30 her little body clock didn't know what to make of it?

Thanks again Sarah for taking time to reply.

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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2011, 14:44:43 pm »
 I am wondering still about the FF.  It is possible that even though she was taking it at the DF, she still may not like it.  Have you tried other types/brands of formula?  Not all taste the same and some LO's prefer the ready made in the cans as opposed to the powder.  Have you tried any other variety to see if he would eat more from the bottle?

How did the day go with the new A times?  It does take them a few days to really settle into a new routine.

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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2011, 19:50:54 pm »
Today was a great day, up at 6am without a stir during the night after 11.30, I stuck to 2hr45 activity and got two really good naps of 1hr 15 and then we were out in afternoon so we had about a 25 min catnap in the pram. I really don't know what happened for the great night as yesterday's naps were terrible and maybe only 2 1/2 hrs total sleep during the day and that was really fragmented, so I dunno!
I've never tried a different formula although I did use cartons a lot when it ws only once a day and have moved much more to powder. Do you know if follow on milk is necessary at this stage?

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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2011, 20:11:19 pm »
Do you know if follow on milk is necessary at this stage?
I'm not sure I understand your question.  Sorry!

I there a chance that she had such a good night bc the sleep was so crazy that it ended up giving her longer A times?  This would be an indicator that the longer A's are what you need.

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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2011, 20:34:00 pm »
Oh, maybe that's a UK thing, sorry! Follow on milk is the stage 2 formula which is recommended once you start weaning to solids, I've been avoiding it so far to try to stabilise fully formula feeding.
I wonder if a little less sleep and longer activity gave me a good night too. Today was much more textbook in terms of naps so I'll see what we get tonight. I also have this feeling that a first nap between 8.30 and 9 works well. Let's see tonight.
Thanks Sarah for all the advice. Whenever things are tough BW forums really make such a difference, the support itself just helps thing improve!

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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2011, 06:07:57 am »
{{{HUGS}}}  I know how good it feels to just talk it out with someone.

maybe that's a UK thing, sorry!
No worries, but I think that is for sure a UK thing :D  And the funny thing is I still don't know the answer!  I think the Bottle Feeding board could help you with that part.

Let me know how tonight goes...I hope things have fallen into place for you!!

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Re: Another EW tired mum! To feed or not to feed?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2011, 16:51:27 pm »
Hi Sarah,

Well we did have a night waking thurs but I'm pretty sure it was teething, was a painful cry and I did feed and then we got a 7 am start. But the rest of the day naps were pretty good and last night no night wakings but a 6am start which is still not bad at all. And 2hr45 is working well in terms of decent naps so going to try that for a few days. All in all been a really good few days and hoping these two teeth cut soon as they're right there near the surface. I guess can expect a few wakings till that happens.
 
Thanks so much once again.