Do you know what these specialists are called? It's NAET!

[koe2moe]

Thanks for the hugs, Grants.  I definitely need it.  It took me many many self treatment to clear saliva!!  I had to do it every half hour!!  Then its weak again.  I wasn't feeling better, though and I ate some dinner, just plain panfried chicken breast and I was just tested with chicken meat and it was fine, so I thought, how wrong could that be??  I phoned her after eating, Sunday night mind you.  She was so nice and said that allergies were cleared but it might be a viral or bacterial infection that I have now.  I would need to wait and see how it developed.  I had completely insomnia!!    I phoned her this morning and she checked and the insomnia was caused by something I drank.  I went to test everything I drank yesterday!  It was a tea which I tested before.  It was ok before but not now.  That caused the insomnia! 

I just want to kick myself for not testing every single thing I put in my mouth!  And even it was ok  yesterday, it might not be today!!  I am nowhere near the end of this.  I am glad that you are holding my  hand!!  Thanks xx

[EloysH]

Ok just read back hun, wow you are going through alot. This is never ending, but if you look at the positive changes, there have bene many reading through your thread!

I was wondering if you have an online reference on how to treat?  I haven't got the book.

[koe2moe]

Thanks, Eloise.  The book doesn't really cover how to self treat but it explains how to self test with muscle response testing which can probably be found in many books regarding kinesiology and online.  It's best to check with your practitioner.  Mine taught me how to self treat and she tests afterwards if mine passed or not.  As you have had treatments yourself, you know the procedure and do you know how to balance your gates?  My practitioner explained to me very well and showed me how to do it. 

Have u booked an appointment yet?

[EloysH]

Oh yes I meant self test. I have had it done many a time so I guess I sort of know but don't have a feel for it, and wonder what really is the feelign of "weak" and what isn't KWIM? I need to ask about balance gates, both kineasiologist do some stuff at the beginning but I haven't paid close enoguh attention as I am always trying to keep Kai still 

I haven't booked but hope I get in for Wed morning or Sat morn.  I am guess she would teach me if i asked her to 

[koe2moe]

ok...  The book describes an "O" ring test for self testing. 
step 1)  Form an "O" with the thumb and little finger on one hand and use the index finger on the other hand to separate the "O".  If the little finger and thumb separates easily, test the ring finger and thumb.  It should remain strong.  Find a finger-thumb combination that can resist the pressure of the index finger of the other hand.  Use that finger-thumb combination as the test muscle.
step 2)  If the "O" ring remains inseparable and fairly strong, hold the allergen in the other hand, by the fingertips and perform step 1 again.  If the "O" ring separates easily, person is allergic to the substance he/she is touching.  If the "O" ring remains strong, the substance is not an allergen. 

I asked my therapist if everyone could self test and she said yes.  But it can take some practice to know what "weak muscle strength" mean.  The book suggests to get a whole bunch of things to see how your muscle responds. Rub hands together for 30 secs after each substance.   

Eloise, I'm quoting what I typed out previously.  The book suggests to keep trying with quite a few things.  It will take  lot of practice and there is the factor of manipulation, say, when you really want to eat chocolate hehe

Try it out.  I was lucky to have got it right away.  But I still need to be conscious to test everything before I go near them, I learn it the hard way!  If u have more questions, just give me a shout.

I would think all NAET would be more than happy to help you with self test and self treatment as their goal is to get us to be self sufficient and be able to protect us from such saga like mine.  I was just too stupid    

[EloysH]

thank you very much !

I have read this technique elsewhere, I take comfort that it is the same technique coming up.  Now I wonder how I do it for Kai? I will ask ast my next appointment? 

[EloysH]

The allergy to spices is causing me brain fog, sinusitis, headache, muscle pain, back pain, dizziness, and muscle weakness. 

Just found this old quote.  It might be worth asking your practioner to desensitise you to salicylates.  My NAET practicioner had a salicylate vial, and this was one of my main things for Ds2 to clear/desensitise.  Salicylates are found a range of foods from spices to tropical fruits, vegetables, oils and herbs.  You might get more bang for your buck this way.

  Also try night shades, amines, glutamates, preservatives and addtives.  Ds2 was clear for all these, there were all things that he had failed food challenges on before starting the NAET.  Unfortunately he still seems sensitive to alot of these, less sensitive, but sensitive none-the-less.  I have not done all out food challenges since the "clearing"of all these, but have introduced slowly.  So I do not have a definitive scienitifc answer for - has NAET worked/failed?  But I do know in my gut that he is still sensitive.  I guess I do have hard evidence that sals are still a problem even though they are showing as "clear". 

[koe2moe]

The allergy to spices is causing me brain fog, sinusitis, headache, muscle pain, back pain, dizziness, and muscle weakness. 

Just found this old quote.  It might be worth asking your practioner to desensitise you to salicylates.  My NAET practicioner had a salicylate vial, and this was one of my main things for Ds2 to clear/desensitise.  Salicylates are found a range of foods from spices to tropical fruits, vegetables, oils and herbs.  You might get more bang for your buck this way.

She indeed tested me on phenolic mix and salicylate is one of the phenolics!  I was very weak with it.  In fact, I had my vice last night as I was fed up, potato chips hehe, I tested before I ate and this morning, my backache and stiffness is back.  I tested with the chips then and I was weak!!  I will self treat chips also but now that you remind me, I shall perhaps treat phenolics first!! 

I will be interested to know how I can test others but I think I will need to take a proper course in kinesiology.  I was already treated with MSG, food additives, hmmm  I can't remember.  Next appointment will be testing for the individual components of sugar and salt.  I will ask her to test me on acid.  I do have problems with low pH in me.  When I eat alkali forming foods, I feel better.

I had lots of problems with my stomach and in the past docs have suggested all kinds of possibilities, like IBS, candidiasis, my intestines were too curly!!  They just didn't have a clue what was wrong!  I do like foods that are giving me problems, :p, spices, sugary stuff, etc.   

Is NAET covered by health insurance in oz?  Here, they are accepted alternative med and so is partially covered.  I have only had 13 appointments and DH and
I both agree that I have come a long way, not there yet, but big improvement, not without setbacks like this past weekend.

It's so bad that allergies can be so "hidden".  Looking back, I think they have been affecting me my whole life but it just wasn't bad enough. 

[Grants]

I'm really confused by one thing Koe....

How can you test strong before eating the chips and test weak for it the next after eating it? It doesn't make any sense

[koe2moe]

I don't know either.  Maybe I manipulated it because I really wanted to eat them?  Or it's the spices in them that triggered the allergy again??  I was cleared with spices1!  But who knows??  I am going to treat phenolics first to see if helps.  Or should I treat chips?  The pain I have now is what I am used to.  It isn't nice but I am not bedridden, so i can experiment a bit.  I don't want to call my practitioner again as she has been helping me the whole weekend, or should i check with her? 

[Grants]

I find it sooooo odd that you can test and be strong and then test after eating and be weak? Can't you ask your DH to push your arm instead so you can't manipulate it? My practitioner said that this is another valid way of testing at home when people can't get the right feel of the sel-test.  I think you should be pretty clear for those chips by now as you ate them while in treatment in the past without having reactions ?

[koe2moe]

I just phoned my practitioner and asked her if its possible that it tested strong prior to eating and then became weak, she said it's possible.  She could test for me but she's with another patient.  

I did self test the chips, my back pain seems to have dulled and I could stretch my back now.  I have been having this back pain mostly last two weeks, except for one day, so I would have to go back to my food journal to see if i ate chips or not that day.  I think my situation is still so messed up that I can't put my finger on just one food that caused so many symptoms.  Like the spiced pork caused the back pain and back stiffness but I have other discomfort, too.  

She did mention before that allergies are like an onion, when you peel off a layer, then the ones inside now are exposed.  Previously strong might now be weak, but we are one layer closer to the core.  

[Grants]

But it still doesn't explain why you tested strong before eating it and weak after eating it? Otherwise what is the point of self testing if it can seem strong when in fact is weak? Very confusing ?

[koe2moe]

It sucks, doesn't it?  I will wait for her call. 

[koe2moe]

No call from her!  I guess I wasn't seriously sick and should wait until the next appointment. 

Anyways, here's my update.  I treated the food I ate in that one day two days ago and I woke up without that nagging muscle pain in my lower back and stiffness.  I felt the pain before I went to sleep.  Yesterday, I only treated with phenolic mix but it kept becoming weak again.  I was still weak this morning, so I just carry the vial with me and keep treating till it's ok.

This morning, my back felt even more at ease.  My throat however is still sore since last Saturday.  Sinusitis is starting I can feel it.  I might have a bacterial infection coming on from the fri/sat saga.  I am debating with myself whether to get antibiotics or I bear the pain and wait...  I don't like pain.  I have had so much pain in the last 3 years that I am in fear of pain. 

I will do food treatment tonight.  Good luck with your appointment, Grants.  Keep us posted.